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| 5DGVictorDavion |
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How would you describe creationism, and what is your opinion on it?
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| BlueMoonWolf |
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Are you trying to start a brawl.
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| silas_blue |
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| QUOTE (BlueMoonWolf @ Nov 30 2004, 19:48) | | Are you trying to start a brawl. |
I think he is.
Just have Ah_Tze unlock the previous discussion thread and we can continue the topic.
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| 5DGVictorDavion |
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No, I just want peoples opinions on Creationism and Evolution. Charles
Darwin was Christian, you know.
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| OMD |
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since there are separate topics for both versions, there is no need for
any flames, not all people are pryomaniacs.
as for my current (and ever changing it seems) view of creationism, I point you in the direction of my thread. i think that the universe is self realising, god created the universe, then the universe created god.
edited for clarity
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| 5DGVictorDavion |
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I have two topics, not one, which might eliminate the ridiculous idea
of trying to prove ones point when answering a simple question of "What
do you believe" not "Why should we believe what you believe"
Besides, Creationism doesn't necessarily say there is a God, it just says there is a possibility of synthetically creating life.
Ah, I love the English Language and all of it's loopholes and ambiguities.
I
believe Creationism can be proved possible. We just have to find a link
in every Y chromosome. (Saying that if every Y Chromosome of every male
on Earth is similar (30-50%, perhaps, I don't know.) Then we could know
if Creationism is possible
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| DHG~Hydro |
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Fish fossils located on mountains?
I wonder how they got up there...
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| 5DGVictorDavion |
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The Flood?
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| Orogogus |
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No, tectonic drift. Everyone does believe in that, right?
And
in answer to the question, I think there are at least two different
definitions of creationism. One is that a creator was responsible for
creating life, and another takes it further and says that a creator was
responsible for creating each species individually. I tend to be
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| QUOTE (5DGVictorDavion @ Dec 1 2004, 01:05) | | The Flood? |
Exactly.
There you go, apart of the bible is accounted for. Leaning more towards creationism.
as for the whole atheist and theistic evolutionary concepts.. I must admit that I am stumped lol.
Edit: I don't see how exactly that accounts for such, Oro.
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| QUOTE (Orogogus @ Nov 30 2004, 23:09) | No, tectonic drift. Everyone does believe in that, right?
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in answer to the question, I think there are at least two different
definitions of creationism. One is that a creator was responsible for
creating life, and another takes it further and says that a creator was
responsible for creating each species individually. I tend to be
undecided on the first, and don't believe in the second. |
Wouldn't Everest be an archeological haven to all sorts of sea life?
Since India and Asia came together right there?
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| OMD |
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but it can also be explained through techtonic drit... the problem with
the past is that multiple versions can explain observed data equally
well, deciding on which you accept is all faith.
btw with the flood, why did the fish stay on the mountains when the water levels dropped?
why
did god wipe out the entire planet just to destroy humans? he has the
ability to be very precise in his slaughterings, eg 1st born in egypt.
while
i dont know what to believe, i do believe that the bible is nothing
more than a collection of storys, while the message of the bible may or
may not be true, the text itself is almost certainly a work of fiction.
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| OMD |
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| QUOTE (5DGVictorDavion @ Dec 1 2004, 06:15) | | Wouldn't Everest be an archeological haven to all sorts of sea life? Since India and Asia came together right there? |
think water pressure and glaciation, things move the planet is dynamic.
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| DHG~Hydro |
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| QUOTE (OMD @ Dec 1 2004, 01:21) |
btw with the flood, why did the fish stay on the mountains when the water levels dropped?
why
did god wipe out the entire planet just to destroy humans? he has the
ability to be very precise in his slaughterings, eg 1st born in egypt.
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God
destroyed the earth with the flood and basically started over with the
humans. The humans at that time had perverted themselves into
wrongdoings or not following God's laws.
How did the fish stay on the mountains? Heh, rocks, crevices.. I'm sure there would be many other reasons.
Most fish fossil locations are next to rivers and oceans, anyway. Very few are on mountains.
Edit:
I was watching the science channel on the flood. It took it in an
atheist manner, but nevertheless. It explained that the Ice age had
left over gigantic built up blocks of ice in the north pole and south
pole.. and a global warming happend just at the right time... bam..
catastrophic flood. And they said that is why so many texts like the
Bible account for a "world wide flood."
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that doesnt explain why the flood, we know that he can target just
people. so why destroy the planet because of one species?
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| QUOTE (DHG~Hydro @ Dec 1 2004, 06:09) | | Edit: I don't see how exactly that accounts for such, Oro. |
The idea itself is pretty simple. We have our little fishy who, for
some reason or another, croaks in a good place. Fishy eventually gets
his little corpse covered up by silt/soil. Now, we must assume that
Fishy died in a VERY good place right now because he must magically
climb a mountain. This is done by making the tectonic plates move. As
the plates move, stuff from the ocean gets either pushed up or under
another plate. We're assuming Fishy is on the ascending plate. So,
anyway, over a very long period of time, the plates shift enough for a
mountain to form. Say it's a pretty high mountain for the moment. Also
during this time, our little water-based buddy fossilized. Thus, the
fossil in the mountain.
You'd think this'd be a pretty rare
thing, but due to the nature of the extinction of life in the ocean
(near-instant throughout the ENTIRE ocean and almost complete for a
number of species) there were actually a LOT of fishies in very good
spots.
Or at least how the idea goes. We can't exactly give
mouth-to-mouth to Fishy, so I can't interrogate him. Bet he went great
with soy sauce, though.
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| QUOTE (NS13 Vertigo @ Dec 1 2004, 01:30) | | QUOTE (DHG~Hydro @ Dec 1 2004, 06:09) | | Edit: I don't see how exactly that accounts for such, Oro. |
The
idea itself is pretty simple. We have our little fishy who, for some
reason or another, croaks in a good place. Fishy eventually gets his
little corpse covered up by silt/soil. Now, we must assume that Fishy
died in a VERY good place right now because he must magically climb a
mountain. This is done by making the tectonic plates move. As the
plates move, stuff from the ocean gets either pushed up or under
another plate. We're assuming Fishy is on the ascending plate. So,
anyway, over a very long period of time, the plates shift enough for a
mountain to form. Say it's a pretty high mountain for the moment. Also
during this time, our little water-based buddy fossilized. Thus, the
fossil in the mountain.
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Thanks for explaining, but what if we could prove that the earth is
only 6k years old?
Can the whole tectonic shift work within that timeline?
Wouldn't it take a couple of millions of years?
maybe even BILLIONs?
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| QUOTE (OMD @ Nov 30 2004, 23:21) | btw with the flood, why did the fish stay on the mountains when the water levels dropped?
why
did god wipe out the entire planet just to destroy humans? he has the
ability to be very precise in his slaughterings, eg 1st born in egypt. |
By the way, I'm looking foward to the special about the death of Ramses
that will be on the Discovery Channel.
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| QUOTE (DHG~Hydro @ Dec 1 2004, 06:38) | | QUOTE (NS13 Vertigo @ Dec 1 2004, 01:30) | | QUOTE (DHG~Hydro @ Dec 1 2004, 06:09) | | Edit: I don't see how exactly that accounts for such, Oro. |
The
idea itself is pretty simple. We have our little fishy who, for some
reason or another, croaks in a good place. Fishy eventually gets his
little corpse covered up by silt/soil. Now, we must assume that Fishy
died in a VERY good place right now because he must magically climb a
mountain. This is done by making the tectonic plates move. As the
plates move, stuff from the ocean gets either pushed up or under
another plate. We're assuming Fishy is on the ascending plate. So,
anyway, over a very long period of time, the plates shift enough for a
mountain to form. Say it's a pretty high mountain for the moment. Also
during this time, our little water-based buddy fossilized. Thus, the
fossil in the mountain.
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Thanks for explaining, but what if we could prove that the earth is only 6k years old?
Can the whole tectonic shift work within that timeline?
Wouldn't it take a couple of millions of years?
maybe even BILLIONs? |
I
think you'd find that devilishly difficult to do, but you're pretty
much right, from what I know. It -would- take a very long time to go
through all the way. If the Earth was only six thousand years old, I
don't think the theory would work out. I follow the billions of years
old theory, though, so for me it all fits.
And before we get too
deep into this, I think I should admit that I -really- don't think
you're going to be able to change my opinion here. I can do discussion
just fine, but doing a debate is just gonna devolve into us bashing our
heads against respective brick walls.
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| QUOTE (OMD @ Dec 1 2004, 01:28) | | that doesnt explain why the flood, we know that he can target just people. so why destroy the planet because of one species? |
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