Notes on “The Ghetto” – and solutions
Posted by RazorsKissJan 16
I’ve been following the conversation at Evangelical Outpost with a tremendous amount of interest. Joe is really shaking things up in the Evangelical blog community. I’m wondering, if it really isn’t an attempt to encourage what Brad, from 21st Century Reformation is saying over at The Dialogical Coffeehouse. I certainly took it that way myself.
What way? Well, let me tell you. Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit, is so widely influential because his blog is what is known as a “metablog”. He links to specialists, who have the specific commentary on an issue. Well, I think we DO need meta blogs. But, we also need “communities”. If we are going to be “God blogs”, let’s follow the Biblical model. There is the overarching church – there are the individual churches – then there are the ministries within that church, and the small groups – the bible studies, and the like. So, let’s look at Brad’s graphic, concentrating on the right.
When he shows the “focus groups” side of things, he’s basically showing all of the above. There are larger groups – sort of like our “meta blogs” (or megachurches, like one commenter pointed out – though I’d only take that so far). Then, there are the “Specialty communities”. Under that are the “ministries” (like, for example, my apologetics-centered attempts), then, the small groups. – I’ll go into them later.
So, when we look at that – what do we see? Blogs are, indeed, much like the left graphic – but, it’s those smaller communities that we miss. A lot of them interact, but to what degree? The largest communities are the PoliBlogs – they have had the most attention, thus, they are the biggest group – as they had the biggest demand. However, the “godblogs” are growing like weeds now. How do we harness them, and bring them into a position where they can exercise their gifts and abilities within the blogosphere, in a creative, useful, and energetic way?
Here is my solution.
(DO NOT TAKE PLACEMENT OF GROUPS TO HEART. I JUST INSERTED RANDOM GROUPS I KNOW OF THAT CAME TO MIND. )
Please, don’t look at the actual inter-relationships. Look at the theory being shown.
We already have several “meta blogs”, and “aggregators” – the major ones are, to my eyes, Hugh Hewitt, for the Christian PoliBlogs (although he has quite a bit of influence in the general Conservative PoliBlogs, also). Evangelical Outpost, for general Evangelical blogs – along with the “Evangelical Aggregator“, run by Stephen, of ChristWeb. Adrian Warnock, with his “Blogdom of God“, and Jollyblogger, with his “Reformed” Aggregator. Ok – still with me?
We have Hugh, and a slew of other Poli Metablogs, and group blogs – they do a great job covering our interests, and our political views. Here’s what I think – We do not need any more political blogs right now. Still with me? They have done a spectacular, faboulous, amazing job. However… we “god blogs” need to start getting organized – as many have already started. We have done an admirable job “banding together” – now, we need to start networking – for real. Our metablogs – if that is what they want to do for us, need to do a Glenn or Hugh-like job of meta-blogging the “under meta-blogs”. The “under metas”, or specialty-related metablogs, need to start meta-blogging their specialties. That way, we know exactly who to get info from, who is reliable, and where to read, if we need information on a certain topic, or want to learn about it. With me? When Glenn, Hugh, and the rest took on CBS, it was because experts assembled to take on the issue – and they knew who to take the issue to, so it would get out. The metablog ran with it – and the rest is history. We all clear? We’re not altogether interested in politics, per se – but when you need an answer from an expert, you shouldn’t have to surf forever to find it. We have a TON of resources, and a TON of scholars to choose from – but we’re scattered from here to kingdom come. It doesn’t have to be this way…
Here’s my next thing.
Within those specialties, or within a certain group – cultivate friendship with a few other bloggers who share interests (I happened to see this, as I was browsing his site – WHILE I was writing this. Scary :D). I know we’re sort of like the “Wild West” still – but there really should be networks down to the 3-4 blog level. “A cord of three strands is not easily broken” – remember? Noone should have to be a lone ranger, when they take on an issue. The more heads, and prayer, we have on an issue, the more wise we will be. Look how successful “group blogs” have been? (I wonder if this is why this blog was formed?)
So, we have meta blogs (and the respective “alliances”) – the specialty/ministry blogs (Bilioblogs, Apologetics blogs, Theology blogs, Philosophy blogs… and, remember – a lot of them are complementary, so we’ll get cross-networking there, also) – then the bible studies, the “three stranded cords”, and the like.
I know, I know. I’m just applying all sorts of whacky “structure” to the sprawling blog world…
But… it works – doesn’t it? And, it has the added bonus of being organized much like the church in the “real” world is. So… comments? Hash it out with me. Hash something out. Or, just mercilessly beat me about the head and shoulder,s for being an upstart, and mouthy 😀 Whatever works!
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The Ghetto: Solutions II
The Ghetto: Meta-Niching
The Ghetto: Actions Speak Louder Than Words
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Links to the World – Church as Power Network
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Breaking out of the Evangelical Ghetto
Evangelical Ghetto
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Comment by Jeff Burke on January 16, 2005 at 8:03 pm
Man…I’m with you on this. You have my brain going in several directions at the moment. I started out my Blog as a discussion forum within my church. There were about 60 people who signed up to discuss (at their own pace and comfort level) some of the common (and real world) apologetics. We had some excellent responses within this group, but many were anxious about posting for one reason or another. Some of these are very comfortable in their knowledge of the Word, but because they didn’t have knowledge in one area or another (perhaps history) they wouldn’t post. That’s one of the reasons I took it from the forum concept within our church (that fits somewhere in the picture above) to the blog. I wanted to open it up to others and gain insight from additional perspectives. Man…I’m rambling. Like I said, your post has me thinking and the concept it addresses has some significant potential.
So how do we do it? I’m breaking out Omnigraffle (I’m a Mac user and this program does a great job with these types of pictures) to play a bit with the inter-relationships. I’ll share my concepts as they develop.
Awesome ideas!
In Christ…
– – Jeff
Comment by RK on January 16, 2005 at 11:45 pm
Well Jeff – that is a real cool concept you have going.
We have several problems.
1. We need an accurate “map” of the Godbloggers – ie: we need the groups created for them to join.
Hugh, Adrian, Jolly, Stephen, and others have already begun the process – but we need the “second tier” folks to begin organizing their own tiers. We can’t rely on the “big guys” to do all the legwork. Those who do the organizing, are going to be the organizers. Which means, they won’t post as much “content” – but they _should_ be the “metabloggers” I talked about earlier. Joe creates too much content for us to relegate him to a metablogger (although he does that well, also). Someone needs to start stepping up to be a Glenn Reynolds/Hugh Hewitt for the Godbloggers in general. They need to read a ton of blogs, pick out the links that need to be discussed further, or worked on together – and vice versa – but that’s first tier. The second tier folks need to find someone within their “niche” to metablog that, also. Apologetics is the niche I picked. I write a decent bit for it – so I can both content provide, and metablog. I’d prefer to metablog, though, as I enjoy reading, and am _very_ websaavy. I’m a semi-pro webmaster, so I can _do_ web stuff like that. I’ve run several-hundred strong gaming groups, and the like – so I have the experience and the chops for it. I don’t have the time (or the chops)for full-on meta-blogging the entire God-blogosphere, though.
2. We need them to participate in mapping themselves, by how they fall into categories of their own creation.
See, people within “Theology”, or “Music”, or “Christian fiction” need to start looking for similar blogs. Network. Work together. Expand their contacts. Eventually, if we do it right, the metabloggers will KNOW who is the expert on just about any conceivable subject – and if they see a story that needs their take on it – they know where to look for it. As much as the static content-heavy sites (like, say, htp://apologeticsindex.org , in apologetics) help – current events need current responses. We are new media – and we need to act like new media. Beat the media to the punch. However, in the Christian community, we aren’t out to “beat” our on media. We can take the opinion columns on AgapePress, or AFA – or the news from religionnews.org – and cover it – blog style. We need to start getting organized, so we can help the Christian media in their attempts to get the news out, from the Christian perspective. In this way, we need to learn “constructive”, because we aren’t out to get AFA, or Agapepress. We’re out to help, and assist them, with the resources only the blogosphere can bring to bear, with the speed it is known for.
3. We need to make “cooperative” projects (as Joe has already begun doing) an important part of blogging life. As Joe has pointed out (and Hugh before him, in “Blog”), bloggers are definitely capable of destruction. We need to involve them in construction – which is often harder.
Examples: The “Jesus the Logician” project, Vox Blogoli, the “Christian Carnival”, Joe’s Symposium, “Vox Apologia”, and others.
I’ll use Vox Apologia as an example. Although it’s cool to get various apologists working on a certain theme, every week – the intent is to pick topics that NEED an apologist’s response. This week’s was a general topic – but hosts should be looking for a specific, “needs to be addressed” topic, when it’s their turn. I’m hosting the next one – but the next one is open. I’m going to maintain a listing of all the topics we cover, so there is a categorical, multi-response answer to every topic we cover – and then we can maintain the list, and use it when a similar subject comes up.
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All that being said: Those are the goals I’m seeing, when I look at the blogosphere right now. I’ve read Blog (consciously, knowing it would help me refine my ideas about the blogosphere I was already contemplating), I’ve been crash-coursing “blog theory” – mostly by going through the poliblogs, to see what makes them tick, and reading books (dead trees! Woohoo!) like a dog to get myself prepped. This is Blog – V.2 for me. I blogged over at Oblivion’s Gate from March of last year, to about 3 weeks ago. But… I “got it”, after blogging to supplement my apologetics work on forums. Blogging is… so much of an asset, to anyone. I dunno how I got along without it.
So, anyway – I think we can do it – provided everyone else “gets it” – or agrees 😀 We’re a fractious bunch, bloggers. As long as we can get going the same direction, the “link-a-launche” will move it, though.
Comment by brad on January 17, 2005 at 1:29 am
I encourage you to think of this MORE in regard to chuch life and the release of workers in the church. We need to emphasize the training of workers and release them readily. If you are not teaching a home group or a bible study or some type of ministry start working toward becoming a hub of proclamation within the context of the overall church that you belong to. The goal is to reach pre-christians and to disciple christians. This is primaily done I believe in the home. We need to let people see our lives. I have a sermon series on this called, “Decoding the DNA of the Church”. And I preached on it this morning but the sermon isn’t available yet.
God Bless,
brad
21st Century Reformation
Comment by RK on January 17, 2005 at 7:11 am
The church is who does the above, imo. I’m not an elder, and I doubt I’ll be one for, oh, 20 years or so. Plus, my church is jampacked with teachers. They don’t _need_ my help, and they are already organized much like you have it shown above.
I did recognize that you were concentrated on churches. I’m not.
1. I’m not a pastor.
2. Not all churches allow you to “become a hub of proclamation” within the context of the church – not when they have people much older, and wiser than you already doing so.
3. They don’t do jack on the net – and most churches don’t. That’s why I do 😛 (Sorry if I’m a bit brusque – running out the door before work.)
Comment by Catez on January 17, 2005 at 7:31 am
Hi RK,
I’m with you on this one. I started my blog because I wanted to talk to non-Christians. I wanted to put Jesus on their computer screens. The interesting thing is, although 90% of what I write is written so non-Christians can access it and understand it, I find that Christians get into it! I love the Christian blogging scene and read a fair few blogs, but I get non-Christians coming to my site every day. They don’t usually comment, but as I have more than one entry that comes up constantly in the top 10 on the first page of Google, they keep streaming through. Brad – your a great guy and I love your blog, but I’m not specifically blogging for the church. If bloggers see what I’m doing and “get it” and decide to do the same – great! Anyway, I only discovered Razorskiss and Every Thought Captive in the last week and they are both awesome. I need to add Every to my blogroll too. I could metablog – on science (since I’m a scientist0 and on apologetics. Truth is I like to write. The Aggregator is a great idea – and I do hope (strongly) that it doesn’t get populated with a pile of political blogs. I’m not American and I get readers from a number of countries, and to be really honest the politico stuff gets wearying sometimes. Great bloggers but often totally irrelevant for my context. Did I say I like to write? I’ll stop now.
Comment by Mike Smith on January 17, 2005 at 7:37 am
I think you’ve hit on a great idea here. I am still very new to the blogging scene and it will take me some time to digest the sites you include and their respective material. I would think, just from a newbie perspective, this shouldn’t be too difficult, should it? What are the immediate problems in doing this? Is it merely getting folks to work together? (ok, that can be a big one) Is it more complicated? I would like to start praying about this as I think its a solid idea but I also want my prayer to be specific so perhaps ya’ll can educate me a bit? I really like what you’ve done here RK!
Comment by RK on January 17, 2005 at 7:51 am
Runnin out the door for work – I’ll type more when I get home!
*whoosh…*
(I’m laaaate!)
Comment by Catez on January 17, 2005 at 8:01 am
RK,
Totally unrelated subject – has Joe added everone to his new blogroll, The Evangelical Church Directory. Thought you might know. I left a comment but am still not added. I’d like to be – I think it might pip me close to the top 1000. The higher I’m ranked the more non-Christians see me. Do you know where he’s up to with it?
Comment by MikeF on January 19, 2005 at 5:16 pm
Hey you might want to check your blog configuration because I couldn’t send you a trackback. This post was sorta a response to one of your points in there.
You have some interesting points, but I think saying things like “we don’t need anymore poliblogs right now” is very “MSMesque” in spirit. I think I get what you mean, but please bear in mind that the same criticism applies to all types of blogs.
Comment by Phil Dillon on January 19, 2005 at 5:49 pm
I picked this up from Evangelical Outpost. I like the idea a lot, but have some concerns. This whole business of aggregating looks like it requires technical expertise, template work, etc. If so, how does a technology dunce like me participate?
Comment by RK on January 19, 2005 at 10:32 pm
Yeah, something’s screwy with my trackbacks. But, oh well. Technorati and Sitemeter are alive and well 😀 When I slow down a bit from my “compulsive posting” rate I’m at right now, I’ll look into it with some WordPress gurus. I just installed it a couple weeks ago… so, I don’t have a clue what half of this stuff does. I can make it look pretty, and mostly functional though. That’s what you get when you have a webmaster on a new platform…
Comment by RK on January 19, 2005 at 10:34 pm
Phil – not everyone is going to be a hub, or a meta-nicher. Most of the “Blogosphere denizens” will be the “Joe bloggers”, who we linkbots peruse for interesting posts. Incidentally… that’s what the next post covers. So, stay tuned.
Mike – I’m going to address poliblogs further this next post, too.
Comment by RK on January 19, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Mike – I got off on another subject. I’ll get around to it. I promise 😀
Comment by DLE on February 27, 2005 at 1:11 pm
Some parts ARE well in place. You mentioned the PoliBlogs, but I see that the Apologetics and Reformed blogs are also getting organized.
My blog Cerulean Sanctum has a non-denominational bent, but is geared to calling the church to repentance and for analyzing errant portions of the church. Some have called it prophetic (or preaching-related) in this regard, but all I know is that there are not many bloggers doing similar work with a similar background to mine. Not to say that I’m the only one because I am not, but folks in my “space” are somewhat underrepresented and nowhere close to being organized.
I would be willing to talk with others with blogs with my same emphasis. The purpose of Cerulean Sanctum is to recover a 1st century Church vision in 21st century America. If anyone out there feels this syncs with their blog’s vision, then let me know and we’ll see what we can develop.
Blessings!
Comment by DLE on February 27, 2005 at 1:20 pm
For some reason the link in my previous post for my blog Cerulean Sanctum is not working. Here is the URL again:
http://www.dedelen.com/cerulean.html
Comment by seeker on February 27, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Great suggestions. But I want to highlight a problem that perhaps someone could help solve. We need a place where people of similar missions and callings can congregate. I just happened to form a group blog with two other god bloggers, but our mission statement is kind of broad, and we are not that focused. It would be nice to be focused on something specific.
Comment by RazorsKiss on February 27, 2005 at 7:20 pm
DLE:
I want to suggest a blog to you: 21st Century Reformation, as written by Brad Hightower – and a group blog he participates in (along with Joe Carter, of Evangelical Outpost fame) – The Dialogical Coffee House.
They are right up the alley you’re looking for.
seeker:
The Decablog (look to your right, on my blogroll) was formed for roughly that purpose, by Adrian Warnock, the founder of the Blogdom of God.
Andy of Smart Christian has also talked about making a Christian Blog portal, as well. This has been discussed rather heavily on this blog (as well as others)- but the Decablog was what resulted of it- mostly because Adrian is an “action oriented” person – as am I.
If you want a mission, I would say only this. Create it. My all-consuming mission is to create a “standing army” of apologists, in at least a rought concert. The Vox Apologia, and the Apologetics Aggregator resulted first – followed by a new group blog idea I’m going to try. All I can say is find one – and do it. Prayerfully, studiously, and energetically.
Hope that helps. I’m a “go do things’ type – so take what i say with a grain of salt – but take it, and pray about it. That’s the best advice I can give.
Trackback by Blogotional on February 28, 2005 at 7:09 pm
Power Blogging
The key question is how do we get the general public to read us instead of just us reading each other? RK is right — we don’t need more poliblogs — but unfortunately, that’s what people like to read.
Comment by Bruce Harpel on February 28, 2005 at 10:55 pm
We are getting somewhere. Organized units of work on specific tasks and with specific gifts.
I, for one and for example, am organizing as a Christian conservative voice on the University Campuses of the world. I have a long way to go but I have started. We, again for example, should identify issues, explore them and any patterns we see emerging, and agree on a course of action, spin, or intervention/alarm.
Revivals and revolutions historically often start on university campusus. Others have burdens like this but in other areas.
Good discussion
Bruce Harpel
http://www.sprucegoose.blogspot.com
Comment by Matthew on June 8, 2005 at 12:38 pm
Christians of the Blogosphere UNITE! 😉
Comment by greensmile on August 9, 2006 at 7:05 pm
This blog reads just like CS Lewis’ Screw Tape Letters only with certain substitutions for the nouns.
Really fascinating to read and see how you folks are all about organization. I myself cannot get organized to save my soul.
As to the CSS and Javascript. not bad, a few of the leftmost list numberings fade off into the margin as rendered on latest Firefox though.
Comment by greensmile on August 9, 2006 at 7:10 pm
fascinating stuff. You folks read like C.S Lewis’ Screwtape Letters with some of the nouns changed.
Interesting to see how you are all about organization. I can’t get organized to save my soul.
As to the CSS/Javascript new look. very custom but not very comfortable. long time rendering even on a fast machine and cable. Left most digits of list numbered paras clip at the left margins.
Comment by RazorsKiss on August 14, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Actually… this reads like the Screwtape Letters. I don’t see the connection, myself.
Yes, I’m going to fix that clip – eventually 😀