The Ghetto: Solutions II
Posted by RazorsKissJan 17
Well, we put forth the “concept”, in the first post – and got some commentary. Now, let’s look at a bit more of what I’m speaking of. I do understand, I really do, what Brad is getting at with his points about helping the church. I’m trying to take some concepts out of his discussion, and apply them to the God-blogosphere, though. As much as I love helping at my church (and I do), blogging isn’t how I believe I can help my church. My church needs my technical skills, and my musical skills. That’s where I help them. The young(er) denizens are the ones who are “hip” with the computers, technology, and the like. But… the internet ministry in my area doesn’t have much demand, and doesn’t get much play. Let me explain why, so you see where I’m coming from.
I live in Mississippi. Perhaps one of the most internet un-enabled places here in the US. They aren’t all that big into the internet down here – and definitely not in my church. They use it, and they have a website and all… but it’s not a big thing for them.
Now, why do I think I’m being “led”, so to speak, into encouraging people to organize, in the realm of the “God-blog”?
First, because I’m focusing primarily on apologetics. Like a lot of people have commented on, in the Vox Apologia, apologetics, in a church setting, is almost non-existent. You have Ravi Zacharias, and his like – but they are VERY, VERY rare. The internet, and blogs in particular, are EXCELLENT vehicles for this type of ministry.
Second, I’m a “niche” blog – so I’m coming at it from that niche view – so I may see things different than the bloggers who are more used to the “poliblog” dynamic. When I look at Evangelical Outpost’s recent efforts, I’m seeing a dynamic that tells me that “links matter” – to a degree. However, I see 4,5,6 of the traffic aggregators – and very few “metablogs”. We need to add to those, and inter-network them a bit better, to _include the niches_. The metablogs aren’t just linkblogs, or newsblogs – they should be directories, to the various types of niches, if you ask me.
I just read “Blog” not too long ago myself – remember the part about “finding your niche”? Well, I extrapolated from that a bit, as well. For people to find you in that niche – they need to have directions, sometimes. Apologetics is a big niche – true. But so is Theology, Biblical studies, Archaeology, Document study, Greek Language, Hebrew language, etc, etc, etc. In order for us to become a _force_, and to _get the word out about us_, people need to see us – and we need to get at least semi-organized. Not “structured”, per se – but “allied”.
We all know each other (to an extent), and we’re all linked – but I haven’t seen a whole lot of “group projects” of a ministerial nature. A few, yes. As much as we should be showing? No. Why?
My answer? We have no sort of “hub”/”spokes” system, no real “alliances” – just aggregators, and a few biggish blogs. I see a lot of talking about issues – and even some linking – by why aren’t we being more proactive in _doing constructive things_? Hugh writes in Blog that we’re well known for being destructive – not constructive. If ANYONE should be constructive, it is us. We should be head, shoulders, and most of our torsos above the rest of the blogosphere in constructive work, and in community “spirit”. Now, to be fair, I see a LOT of good comments about other blogs. I don’t see any jockeying for hits – just offers all around for help and advice. Which is GREAT. In this case, we look like the apostolic church. We can, though, look MORE like the Apostolic church – by metastasizing the blogosphere. The Christian poliblogs have done it, in the poliblog sphere of influence. Where is the Christian music blogger? Do we know? Does anyone? Where is the metablogger listing the current Bible studies that people are doing? Do we know? Does it exist?
Where are the church blogs? I’ve found one – Jeff, in the comments on the last entry, runs one.
Where are the aggressive apologists, who actively defend against attacks on our faith, or go “out into the world” to provide a Christian response to people asking the tough questions? Where is the list of theologians we can go look at, when we’re looking for a scholarly opinion on something? Our pastors can give us some – but who can the pastors ask? Where are the blogs set up for people “looking”? The “Evangel”ists that SHOULD be stemming from “Evangel”ical.
Hrmm? We’re all giving all these rave reviews to Blog… But, a question: Where are our niche “captains”, and our niche bloggers? Hugh goes to great pains to encourage us to develop, shepherd, and find niches for us to “find our place in”. Metablogs have one purpose, in my view – to point to the niche bloggers that relate to the subject at hand.
Answer: We haven’t found them yet, they don’t exist, or we aren’t organized enough as yet to know.
I’m starting to categorize my blogrolls, on the right, to “reflect” that somewhat. But, that’s just one lil ‘ol blogger.
I really am just a pipsqueak in the Ecosystem, and in the Godblogger sphere, as yet. Joe is setting some things into motion, but I’m not sure exactly what the eventual goal is yet for him.
I want to draw your attention to this comment on Joe’s response to the _original_ evangelical Ghetto discussion for a minute.
Blog lists are fine, but they tend to get clogged after a while (how many in blogs4god?) and lose their initial intent of drawing interest to certain “defined” blogs.
This is my only beef with _only_ relying on the big aggregators. I believe it should be aggregate AND. Aggregators are good, to get us “out of the ghetto”. But, it’s small, focused, niches that will be the “movers and shakers” when it comes to doing big things. Those of us IN those niches, I believe, need to be the ones doing this. The metablogs will come. Joe and Adrian are as close as we have right now, to metablogs. We need more than that, though. See my previous post. We need metablogs/hubs, and under those, hubs for each of the greater “categories”, and then the niches. That’s my opinion – and it’s theoretical, not “it has to be that way” – but it’s _something_ . We need _something_, or we’re going to stay ghetto’d (Republican) God*cough*politics*cough*bloggers. Oh, did I mention we’re way too focused on poliblogs, and not on “the rest”?
By “the rest”, I mean _concentrating_ on the _Christian responses_ to current issues, highlighting the “excellent” responses to them, and presenting them in a format which emphasizes the Christian response, and the Christian _difference_ in how we treat it. Different how? Different not in that we _back a particular candidate’s views_, or that we _agree with a particular take on it_ – but that in coincides with our beliefs, and demonstrate how that is so, in a format which either edifies the believer, or informs the unbeliever.
If we are to make an impact for His kingdom, do we “band” together or rather put more effort into reaching out to “unsaved” bloggers and readers?
Making this an “either/or” is the problem. We have to use the gifts we have, and the particular strengths we each have to employ, to address the unsaved, the saved, the pros, the cons, the theological implications, the logical implications, and etc, etc, ad infinitum – from the worldview/perspective of the Christian – and, have the “heft” to project that to the mainstream.
THAT, I will propose, is the central issue we need to address.
1. How to use our various gifts to their full advantage
2. How to project the results of those gifts to the correct audience
3. How to strengthen both the Body, and encourage fellowship – both corporately, and individually.
Don’t mistake “holy huddles” for folks who just blog because the enjoy it. It’s good to have a few evangelical “blog brothers/sisters” for support, but be careful you don’t get too wrapped up in theological arguments and building lists of “approved” blogs.
I agree. However, let me propose an example. When a “crucial issue” comes to the fore, some of the theologians need to outline the Biblical principles involved. The apologists and evangelists need to involve themselves in the defense and outreach roles, respectively, and the “metabloggers” (who will be, in a large degree, the “portals” into the “Godblogging” community) need to assemble the various threads, and combine them into a seamless “presentation”, for consumption.
Maybe I’m too analytical. I’m an engineer’s progeny, and all… but still. The principles of “community”, and of “Biblical communites”, in particular, are rather well known, and should be looked at, as they mesh ideally with the concept of the internet, and blogs in particular.
That’s the discussion I’m trying to start. How do we get from “Breaking out of the Ghetto” into “Building the Body”. Brad is concentrating on churches, and how they _should_ be using this medium, in his post. Joe has been concentrating on various projects to show the capabilities of the God-blogosphere, and the added “heft” we acquire, if we network, even in a crude way. Just look at the difference between the original “Evangelical Ghetto” post, and Joe’s. Look at the difference just since Joe started his project. If we go at this in a way that encourages believers to _use their gifts_, and encourages leaders to _lead_, we are on the right track, in my opinion.
So… how do we do it, Christians, and fellow bloggers?
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Comment by Doug on January 17, 2005 at 11:04 pm
The blogosphere is such a fluid landscape that categorizing all of the blogs out there is no small task. Not only do you have to place each blog where you think it belongs, you have to continually update the parameters and categories. Since I stopped my newsletter, I no longer have a theme to gravitate toward. So I go in one direction one day, another direction the next.
I have had a few series that I am quite happy with, but for the most part, it is quite free-flowing. I may be one spoke today, another spoke tomorrow. I do like your thoughts on this, but believe it would be quite difficult as many blogs avoid being typecast. Sure many do fill niches here and there, but so many of them avoid staying with one theme like the plague.
Eventually, your niche dries up. Just look at the political bloggers. Sure, they are around and some are still thriving, but their source is not what it was and the interest in their blogs is not what it was just a few months ago. Those who are still thriving are the ones who could adapt, and that changes their spoke somewhat.
I love the idea you have, but want to be clear that you want something that the current blogosphere may not be able to provide. I blogroll sites that capture my attention, sites that I visit daily. I have 20 as my magic number, and there are blogs on my chopping block for one reason or another. While I did join the ghetto, that is an anamoly. For the most part, the blogs I read are on the roll for consistant quality, if not a consistant theme.
I almost wonder if a sub-grouping like Technorati would meet your ideas better than an organized system.
Comment by Dave on January 17, 2005 at 11:43 pm
One idea that springs to mind, in terms of harnessing the talents and creativity of the bloggers out there, is to do with Vox Apologia. Now, firstly. let me say that I thought it was great idea, but perhaps the theme was a bit nebulous, and was really speaking inwards to Christians rather than taking apologetics outwards.
Perhaps an idea would be to actually nominate topics that are in need of apologetics, that people are looking for answers about and that the Church is under attack on, and getting blogpologists to write pieces on them. Topics like abortion or homosexuality, the Creation/ID/Evolution debate. That would create a resource for people looking for help in discussing those topics with those around them. I can think of dozens off the top of my head that come up in any debate about religion, and where I would have loved to had some sort of reference on.
It might even be worth creating a resource site, that collates and categorises the results of each Vox Apologia, becoming an online apologetics library, but one that is not static and responds to new debates as they arise. For example, say that I was unsure of how to respond to questions about homosexuality and the Church. I could come to the site and see what many, perhaps hundreds, of other Christian bloggers thought and wrote on the subject.
Just some thoughts 🙂
Comment by Dave on January 17, 2005 at 11:44 pm
Rereading your post, that may be part of what you are saying. Sorry!
Comment by RK on January 17, 2005 at 11:50 pm
Yeah, sorta-kinda.
That’s the “plan” for it, actually 😀 You read my mind, man.
I WILL post about my plans for it, once I get past these oh-so-intersting rabbits I’m chasing. I even neglected my “Daily Cut” post today, so I could do some maintenance (this is still a new blog, so I’m working kinks out, and tweaking the “look” and organization out ALL the time), and write this post.
I’m going to use the comments I read on this to drive the next post in this “series” (you can see it listed now on the right) – so please, if you want to drive the discussion, either send people here, or trackback from your own blog. Either/or. Basically, I’m looking for ways to move _past_ the “ghetto” phase, and into “building the district” phase – you know?
Doug, I appreciate your comments as well. It’s kinda late for me to treat them like they deserve, and I need ot think on them. You’ll get something tomorrow.
Comment by Dave on January 18, 2005 at 12:15 am
I’ll trackback to here, but I don’t think you will get much extra traffic that way…I don’t think I have many readers :-p
Comment by Andrew on January 18, 2005 at 2:24 am
I understand your insistence on the need for meta-bloggers that report and collate all the niches. I think that is very necessary to the kind of alliance you seek; the question you pose is, where will we find these metabloggers? (To hyphenate or not to hyphenate?)
I don’t know if we’ll ever “find” them, actually. Perhaps people that are currently blogging in a more personal, drifting way need to step up the plate and volunteer to start up new blogs dedicated to metablogging particular niches?
We need a Glenn Reynolds too. I don’t know who that will be…someone with a lot of time (hired by a parachurch organization for the purpose?) and with excellent skills.
Comment by Andrew on January 18, 2005 at 8:40 pm
Razor,
Check out my new apologetics blog, Weapons of Warfare, at:
http://apologetics.danweasel.com
Comment by Dave Holsclaw on January 19, 2005 at 12:54 pm
Razor:
Thanks to Hugh, I found your blog today. I work in the aerospace industry but my niche in Christian service is teacher. When the first “Blog” reviews were published, I sent Hugh the following note:
Hi Hugh:
I just read the review of your new book over at Instapundit — I am definitely going to buy the book.
Glen also recommended The Long Tail, which I just finished. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/tail.html
Which got me thinking — has anyone in the Evangelical Christian world applied the Long Tail principles (Make Everything Available / Help Me Find It) to the distribution of great Christian literature? As an historian, I know there are hundreds of thousands of sermons, practical devotionals, essays, curricula and guidelines for helping the poor, caring for widows, visiting the sick, caring for your family, building a successful marriage, etc. (and that’s just in the last 500 years in Europe and America). Why not create a huge digital resource clearing house following the Netflix and Amazon models?
I know that there are many good resource web sites (of every theological stripe), but is anyone pulling it all together and making it available to the world?
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Since writnig this note, I’ve begun an effort to produce a combination WebBolg / Web site — the idea is to create a “one-stop” place where evangelicals from anywhere in the world can access classic Christian Resources and current resources of interest, can join in discussions and informal seminars/forums regarding a wide range of subjects, and can receive encouragement and answers to their questions. I would eventually like to have a whole wing of the virtual library that operates in Spanish (and we could add other language wings as we find capable, reliable folks to run them.)
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I’ve not read the Ghetto thread yet (will do so during lunch break) but I think there may be fruitful overlap between your concerns and mine.
Keep up the good work,
Dave
Comment by Jim on January 19, 2005 at 5:38 pm
What an interesting project. With a lot of blogs, how DO we find the good stuff? Blog lists along the side are only a start. They need description and classification to really be useful. I wonder if there is software that would index the text in selected blogs and allow searching? Or a hierarchical listing of various blogs by major categories? Dave’s idea may be a good start too.
Also, what I’ve found on some Internet discussion groups over the years is a tendency to branch off into theological minutiae that tends to divide one denomination from another. Fifty years ago, when the majority of people probably belonged to one or the other, such discussions might have been helpful. In the postmodern period, however, I fear that the appearance of discord drives away the unsaved who see disagreement about, say, immersion vs sprinkling baptism as a major schism in belief that proves that Christians don’t have any foundation at all. So that is my warning.
You can add my blog to your list if you want. I haven’t focused very well yet, but I am a member of the Christian Medical Association and would be happy to blog on!
Jim
Comment by Jim on January 19, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Oh, it’s jmsmall.blogspot.com.
Jim
Comment by Adrian on January 19, 2005 at 6:06 pm
Have blogged on this over on my blog.
Comment by Alex Forrest on January 19, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Really interesting idea. I actually have two blogs – one is a niche and one tends to be a catch all as the first commetn discussed. The niche blog is greatpursuit.blogspot.com and is focused on devotional writing and biblical thinking. My personal blog, alexforrest.blogspot.com sometimes reflects my interest in theology and culture (esp apologetics and ethics), but sometimes serves as a place to post general thoughts about other stuff or just personal news. Don’t know why I’m writing all this here, honestly, except to say I’d love to be listed or useful in one of these niches.
Comment by RazorsKiss on January 20, 2005 at 12:37 am
Added your blogs to my “temp” blogroll (Newly Discovered). Send me an email, if you’d still like to be added to the apologetics aggregator.
Also: Start here to give yourself a “quick” overview. That’s called an “aggregator” – it gives a bunch of posts, from various blogs – and, you can see a selection from each, to hopefully get an idea of the subject. Or, go to evangelicaloutpost.com and read Joe Carter’s “Outtakes” posts. He does a good job sending you around to interesting blogs. That’s what I find fun about blogging. Chasing rabbits, and finding good blogs at the end 😀
Comment by himoversin on January 20, 2005 at 2:02 am
Dude, this is the link capital of the blog nation!! Great site. I don’t have ADD but if I did I would be in trouble, hehe. Keep up the good work, God Bless.
Comment by Dave Holsclaw on January 20, 2005 at 8:05 am
Jim:
I appreciate your comments and your concern about an evangelical tendency to “major on minor issues.” I am not interested in that approach. As an historian, I appreciate the vast spiritual wealth that has been stored up by our Christian ancestors over two thousand years. And I am deeply concerned as I see much of that wealth being lost or ignored in this generation. I look at life from the Reformed perspective and I hope to make Reformed resources available to the emerging church for reflection and discussion. However, I hope to find and link to other virtual wings of the library that reflect other evangelical perspectives. By God’s grace, we can learn from one another.
Comment by himoversin on February 3, 2005 at 1:12 am
Great blog Razor!! United We Stand… or we will one day… I think it just takes some coordination and there’s no medium to do it. Maybe it’s some of the web sites you mentioned or a Christian Blog Magazine, cool! CBM!
Comment by HimOverSin on March 25, 2005 at 12:56 am
Nice 1 Razor. Well, the “infrastructure” is already there on some big blogs. Maybe hit them up once this idea is refined a bit to see if they’d do a format change. In exchange, we would link to their site, kiss their toes, etc.
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