Q and A with RK: 6/8
Posted by RazorsKissJun 8
Culled from two im conversations:
HydroPhoboe: what about this example..
HydroPhoboe: Could God eat an infinitely long hot dog?
RazorsKiss: Nothing but God is infinite, in my opinion.
RazorsKiss: How could anything but God be equal to God?
RazorsKiss: Is a hot dog equal to God? 😀
HydroPhoboe: Lol
HydroPhoboe: no
RazorsKiss: So, if God is infinite, how can anything else be, and not be equal to God in that respect?
RazorsKiss: it’s a logical contradiction, in my humble opinion – for a Christian, at least
RazorsKiss: I think that was profound
RazorsKiss: but it may not have been
RazorsKiss: it’s hard to tell with hot dogs
RazorsKiss: if it was polish sausage, we wouldn’t even be discussing it!
End first conversation… but I can’t help thinking about that one.
So, I quote it to Bethany, and continue my train of thought.
RazorsKiss: I crack me up.
Bethany: lol
Bethany: okay…that is…um…weird?
RazorsKiss: but.. funny
Bethany: yeah. funny.
Bethany: but weird….
RazorsKiss: see if this makes sense to you
RazorsKiss: I had to think about it for a minute
RazorsKiss: the very concept of an infinite *thing* is impossible, in my opinion
RazorsKiss: because the very concept of “thing” implies limits, or measure
RazorsKiss: infinity is a concept which flatly denies measure, or limit
RazorsKiss: follow me?
RazorsKiss: So, it would be an inherent contradiction, both logically, and conceptually
RazorsKiss: Or am I off-base?
Bethany: yes…I follow and I agree.
RazorsKiss: Ok, so the “could God make a rock large enough He couldn’t lift it” is an inherently illogical statement – because limit is implied in the statement “rock”, and “heavy”
Bethany: I think so.
RazorsKiss: a rock is inherently limited by the fact that it is a thing – a rock
Bethany: and is not infinite…
RazorsKiss: it is inherently limited by weight – which is a measure
RazorsKiss: it can neither be a rock, nor heavy, to be infinite – to be infinite is reserved for God, therefore it can neither be too heavy to lift, or a rock, to be infinite – and the only thing impossible is something equal to or greater than God
RazorsKiss: so… the statement is inherently illogical, and conceptually impossible
RazorsKiss: w00t. I’ll be a philosopher yet…
RazorsKiss: unless I’m wrong.
Bethany: lol!
Bethany: indeed…you shall.
RazorsKiss: that is SO going to my blog.
My brain hurts – but that was fun.
I know, I’m flying in the face of mathematics – but really – who has measured infinity?
I still say the only thing infinite is God – period.
22 comments
Comment by Bethany on June 8, 2005 at 10:54 pm
Thank goodness I spelled everything right. I didn’t know I was going to be published!! Eeeekk!
Comment by blestwithsons on June 9, 2005 at 4:35 am
Hot Dog! RK, you sure know how to woo! (chuckle)
I’m sure she relished every moment.
Comment by RazorsKiss on June 9, 2005 at 6:59 am
Bethany – if it wasn’t, I’d have fixed it for you 😀
Blest – hey, the hot dog question was from a teenager…
But man… that was a good pun there. Relish? Har!
Comment by blestwithsons on June 9, 2005 at 10:24 am
I got that you didn’t originate the hot dog question… you just had to listen to the exposition of it! How romantic!! Aren’t you glad you’re engaged to someone who is no mental weenie? (ha ha ha!!! I need help.)
Comment by Bethany on June 9, 2005 at 10:37 pm
Nah. Blessed With Sons…you are the coolest! Glad you think I’m not a mental weenie…RK may actually think that at times! lol.
RK-glad to know you would fix stuff for me!! 😀
Like this comment that originally had my name on it, since I log in to my blog at your house so often 😀
And no, I don’t think you’re ever a mental weenie 😛 She’s punning us!
~ RK
Comment by Bethany on June 10, 2005 at 12:01 am
Oooopppsss! Didn’t pay attention to that. But really…isn’t that your fault? lol. I logged you out this time. And I know she’s punning us. What do you think…I’m a mental weenie?
Comment by blestwithsons on June 10, 2005 at 4:49 am
Oops, I meant that RK was no mental weenie… For some reason I thought that Bethany had written that comment about the question being from a teenager. That’s why I said what I did about having to listen to the exposition. That’s what I get for hot-doggin in the comments section! Guess I can’t cut the mustard. I’m always playing ketchup. blestwithsons dissolves into hysterical laughter. Ah the humor of the sleep-deprived.
Comment by blestwithsons on June 10, 2005 at 4:50 am
Of course I know Bethany is no weenie either….
Comment by Steverino (RK's bro) on June 10, 2005 at 9:46 am
wow…… I feel like such an infinitesimal micro brained user of inferior intellect. All this talk of infinity has turned my puny brain into a twisted of wormhole of confusion in the space-time continuum, oh the agony! Can a brain be indefinitely tangled in a messy mass of self-induced confusion eminating from a complete lack of coherence of the subject at hand?
“dude, gimme one of your tots”
“no, get your own tots”
ur blogs rocks bro…. keep it coming!
WOOT WOOT
Comment by Steverino (RK's bro) on June 10, 2005 at 9:51 am
oh yeah, and I leech the occasional person off RK’s blog to my pitiful little blog called liberty and justice (link at bottom right under the “Oblivion Gaters” header)
/shameless self promotion off
Comment by Steverino(RK's Bro) on June 10, 2005 at 2:39 pm
where’d my posts go?
The first comment on my blog usually goes into a moderation queue, to see if it’s a real person, or a spammer – it waits on a real person to approve it – in this case, me 😀
Approved!
~ RK
Comment by Bethany on June 10, 2005 at 4:49 pm
Steverino-
I check out your blog all the time! You hardly ever post dude!! But I shall still faithfully check it out….
(noticed you posted today! Yay!)
Comment by Steverino on June 10, 2005 at 11:22 pm
yeah, I barely ever blog, hadn’t really got into it like El Joshomundo, but I’m trying to work on it! 🙂
Thanks El Joshumundo for letting my comments on dawg… I feel so…. special now…….
Comment by Apologia_Christi on June 11, 2005 at 3:46 pm
I wanted to make a distinction that “feeling special” doesn’t actually qualify one as actually being “special!” hehe
Oops, did I say that out loud? Keep up the good work “El Joshumundo.”
Comment by Bethany on June 11, 2005 at 6:56 pm
Awwww…Steverino is special…so is Joshumundo…so are you for that matter! We all are special! Okay…I’m making myself sick.
Comment by Catez on June 13, 2005 at 5:30 pm
Well some-one needs to get this on to infinity. Ok Rk – the problem with your conclusion is that it limits God. By saying only God is infinite in order to set Him apart you have also excluded that God can create something infinite. “Something” does not denote temporal limitation. So God can create the infinite – in which case to say only God is infinite is to deny His capacity to vreate the infinite. Eternity is a good example.
Comment by Catez on June 13, 2005 at 5:38 pm
I think the problem is not about mathematics but about language. “Something” doesn’t actually denote any boundaries – God is “something” in correct use of language. Saying that something is infinite is not saying it is greater than God – infinite cannot be greater than infinite. The real issue as I see it is not about the infinite but about the Creator – those who try to match infinite against God try to match creation against its Creator. So the deeper issue is one of ontology. There is no flaw in the apologetic to admit that somethings may be created infinite. The point is that they are created.
Comment by Catez on June 13, 2005 at 5:44 pm
Finally – to say that if God creates something infinite he creates something equal to Himself is a strawman because it denies the totality of God. The only thing equal to God in every aspect is God Himself. Thus something he creates that is infinite is not God – it’s just created infinite. Otherwise the argument presupposes that God is summed up by infinity only.
The “heavy rock” argument is not about infinity – it is about can God create something beyond His own power to lift? Firstly – God is the greatest power there is. Anything created by Him is derivative of His power. Biblically there is nothing (no-thing) created that is greater than God.
Comment by mumon on June 15, 2005 at 7:57 pm
Er, um, the set of all real numbers between 0 and 1 is infinite.
I don’t know why you have a problem with infinite concepts…there’s, er um, an infinite number of infinite concepts…
Comment by RazorsKiss on June 15, 2005 at 8:15 pm
I don’t have a problem with them. I don’t think they are possible.
Riddle me this: How do you, exactly, verify the existence of infinity by empirical means?
A: You don’t.
So, praytell – why are we so dogmatic on the existence of infinity?
You can’t see it, measure it, or sense it, in any possible way. So, why do we insist it exists?
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