How not to comment about Katrina
Posted by RazorsKissSep 8
You can find the original comment here. You are now reading my response, since Mumon was SO kind as to respond with such compassion, such heartwarming concern.
Not.
I don’t apologize for the tone. I won’t, either. Suck it up. I got good and royally pissed off. I have people like him in my “Ripostes” section, with a content warning, for a reason. Times like this are why.
You know, it’s not a feeding frenzy.
Yes, yes it is.
You don’t live here. You don’t see the absolute nonsense – the pablum – that is being substituted for truth about conditions and attitudes here.
So please.. spare me the condescending “you don’t really understand” crap.
It’s retarded.
Take ownership: did you vote for Bush?
Yes? What does that have to do with whether and where a natural catastrophe hits?
You own what happened. Bush – and FEMA had authority to act even if Nagin and Blanco were utter incompetents – by law- and sat on their hands.
No, FEMA assists the local, county, and state authorities where they do not have the resources to do things on their own.
This is a common misconception. FEMA assists the local agencies in things they do not have the resources to do themselves. Such as flying in 1.5 million meals a day. Which, I might add, is being coordinated by our local National Guard commander – who is under the command of our state’s governor.
The state controls the national guard. The national guard keeps the peace where local authorities cannot. They, however, are not the responsibility, or under the authority of, the national government, on the soil of the continental United States.
FEMA assists MEMA (or LOHSEP) in emergency *management* operations. They *assist*. They do not take charge, they assist!
The Federal Government declared the disaster *before* it actually happened – an unprecedented move. The warnings issued before the emergency, both here and in New Orleans (my dad works there, mind) were the most dire I have EVER heard, and I’ve heard plenty. I’ve evacuated several times before, and stayed several times. I stayed for this one. I heard all the warnings – they begged, pleaded, did everything they could to get people out.
This is NOT anyone’s fault. It really, really pisses me off that people are actually *blaming* someone – ANYONE – for a natural disaster.
You really don’t know squat about it. You’re an armchair commentator, nowhere close to the scene. I’m right in the friggin middle of it, buster, so kindly shut your yap until you learn something – anything – about what you’re talking about.
I’ve cleaned up after two hurricanes before this one. I know what they do, and how little warning people get. We had a very short warning period for the size of the storm. The warnings were absolutely frightening, for those who live here in hurricane country. Everyone was given ample warning, however. This is a storm like NO other. Nothing has even been close. Do you really understand what the word “unprecedented” means? They’ve been using it for a reason, I promise.
Bush did worse- he did photo-ops that actually impeded aid!
Get over yourself.
A president visiting a disaster area occurs everytime there is a disaster. He visited after Ivan, after Hurricane George here, and after just about every other declared disaster in the history of the area.
Once again – the ignorance rears it’s head. Shut up. Everyone appreciated it here.
And as far as “those types of people” are concerned, (you mean African Americans?) you’ve just outed yourself.
Oh, please. Gag me with a Buick. The types of people who shoot at rescue copters. The types of people who rape women in the Convention center. The type who loot everything not nailed down.
THOSE types of people, you race-fixated dunderhead.
Noone cares about any racism conspiracy theories. What, do you think the rescue copters were flying over saying “oh, let’s pick him up – he’s white. Don’t pick him up – he’s black”?
Do you think Mississippi’s black population isn’t high, too? They are a very, very, very high percentage down here, too. It isn’t race. It’s the criminal idiocy, and crminal behavior of some elements of the population of New Orleans. That’s what “those people” is. Those people who have no morals, no decency, and did not even attempt to assist in saving, or evacuating. Just kept on doing what they always do – act like criminals. New Orleans is one of the most gang-infested cities in the nation. It is *unreal*. I know them, I have friends who have escaped the culture there. Those are who were doing these things. I recognized the modus operandi. I don’t care if they are black, white, latino, or asian – and New Orleans contains gangs of all 4 types, and others besides. The problem is the criminal behavior, not race.
Yeah, I outed myself as someone who can’t stand criminal thugs shooting at rescue copters. Boo friggin hoo.
Take a look the video here, (courtesy of this Kos diary, and you tell me, you tell the whole blogosphere, that in that situation you’d have had the courage and the sense of community and decency that Charmain Neville did.
This entire community been doing things for people. We’ve been cutting yards out, cleaning out the food rotting in refrigerators, clearing roads, and everything that needs doing. I’m the only member of a large extended family in the whole area down here. I’ve cut trees out of 5 yards now, and I’m still working on it.
That’s what we are all doing. That’s what we all have been doing for the past week and a half, while you’ve been sitting in your armchair making comments. I’m IN THIS AREA, Mumon. You aren’t within 500 miles. Maybe not even 1,000.
I *watched the hurricane come in*. I was sitting on my girlfriend’s porch, watching it, until it got too bad. I’ve been running chainsaws ever since, buddy.
The rest of the world saw this stuff, and yes, they said “racism.”
*What* racism? What is racist about a hurricane? What the HECK are you talking about? What are you comapring it to? Does the word “incomparable” mean anything to you? There is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING comparable to this, in the recent history of this nation. 9-11 didn’t do near this damage. The city of New Orleans, the ENTIRE city of New Orleans, is gone. (Save very, very few areas) An area the size of England, the country, is devastated, beyond your wildest imaginings. The work that has been done so far is absolutely mind-boggling.
I was just down at the southern half of Diamondhead – the part near the water – yesterday. Nothing is left. Nothing. The houses there were beautiful. They were, most of them, up on stilts, in case of flooding. The posts are still up. The houses are scattered bits of kindling, strewn all over the surrounding miles.
A city I used to live in – wiped off the face of the map. Pass Christian. A city I used to work in – decimated. Long Beach. A city not even 10 minutes from my front door – flooded, devastated, destroyed. Bay St. Louis. A town I bought groceries at every month, and used to work in – wiped away. Waveland.
The town my girlfriend lives in, and I stayed the hurricane in – Gulfport – ravaged. The city where both of my brothers go to school – trashed. Biloxi. This is where I live, Mumon. My dad works in New Orleans. I JUST went to Six Flags at New Orleans, not even 3 weeks ago. The roller coasters are sitting in 3-4 feet of water, right now.
You don’t know what you’re talking aobut. Linking to a sad story does not make you an expert on all things Katrina. You have no clue, no way of getting one, and Sherlock Holmes may not be able to retrieve one for you. Shut up, sit down, and don’t even bother trying to think you know what you’re talking about.
You’re parroting all of the little talking points fed to you. Good minion. We don’t care. We’re in the midle of it, and we’re doing just fine, thanks. We don’t need handouts, we want help, freely offered. We don’t want condescension – we want compassion. We don’t want blame – we want blessings. We don’t want partisan bickering – we want prayer.
We don’t want you, we don’t need you, and we just don’t care, if that’s all you have to say. Noone down here cares.
We’re grateful, beyond grateful, to those who came to help, and for our neighbor’s help. We’re happy to help our neighbor. Those who want to play the blame game, over our heads, like we don’t hear, understand, or are incapable of it? I, personally, think you are lower than the muck I was slogging through, walking up to Wiggins the day of the Hurricane.
I don’t care what you have to say, if all you’re capable of doing is pointing fingers.
(I personally think it’s poverty, so maybe you’re only someone who hates the poor…is that what Jesus would do?)
See that video, and do the honorable thing.
Shut your mouth, and get a clue, boy. You aren’t here. You aren’t down here in the mud, the tree branches, the damage, and the rotting garbage still floating on Biloxi’s back bay. You aren’t smelling the putrid food still decaying in Gulfport’s harbor.
You aren’t running a chainsaw, cutting trees off your parent’s house, and clearing off their driveway. You aren’t waiting in line for an hour to get *into* the supermarket. Our church is out delivering food to anyone who wants it – right now. Every morning at 9 am. I’m cutting trees.
I’ll do the honorable thing, all right. I’ll tell you to get a freaking clue, get off your fat butt, and DO something, if you’re so all-fired worried about it.
That’s what WE are all doing down here, bucko. Whether in New Orleans, or in Mississippi. We don’t need your parsimonious concern, your veiled allegations, your willful neglect, or your “principled” disdain.
You’re nothing. Nothing but an armchair commentator.
I’m right in the center of Katrina Country, bub. Don’t tell ME what is happening. I’m living it.
9 comments
Comment by Mumon on September 8, 2005 at 3:18 pm
No, I’m not in America, I am actuall in Japan (which endured its own typhoon, with about 3 orders of magnitude less loss of life!)
I was actually in some pretty nasty weather for a few days.
You voted for Bush? You voted for the guy that gutted FEMA and put incompetents in charge.
You voted for the guy who didn’t get resources to people who needed it.
The party you supported brought you “small government” over decades, and the Democrats were too spineless to challenge them. That’s why Pass Christian is missing! Maybe you missed my blog, but the Japanese sent researchers to figure out the hydrology so it can be prevented there (where Category 5 typhoons are rare because the water’s significantly colder).
If there had been a concerted goverment effort to ZONE and to PLAN and to PREVENT – guess what? Less lives would have been lost. Less property would have been damaged.
It’s your “ownership society” dude. Own it.
I – see earlier comments- am glad you’re OK, and everyone who survived did, but a LOT of people didn’t and it was seen round the world. I know BECAUSE I’VE BEEN round the world in the past week. I have had to endure the embarassment of conducting business with people who are convinced that the US is now a 3rd world country because of the way they responded in this.
I saw the BBC doing this live. The Daily Mail. The Japanese media. The German media. Everywhere around the world people have read this. Heck, given you where you were, it’s probably I saw alot more stuff than you did. My wife probably saw alot more stuff than you did, and she watches the Chinese media!!!
I saw stuff you probably don’t see because our media is to sycophantic to the current regime. (In case you don’t know, Reporters Without Borders lists our media as one of the least free among democratic countries.)
What you don’t seem to want to admit- and it makes the racist/classist charge stick like flypaper- is that within the poor/African Americans trapped in the aftermath of the bungling of government authorities that there were genuine cases of pure, unadulterated heroism.
No, I’m not there, but my position is that I’d have the government funded and staffed at a level to save your butt.
Comment by Frank on September 8, 2005 at 3:37 pm
J,
Rock on and stay strong. You are doing a great job both personally and on the blog. We up here in TN respect you for both. Your last two posts, including the facts in them, have been great and we threw up a link to both.
Stay strong, be couragous, serve God in all things and know that the Volunteer army is sending people, supplies, and prayer your way ASAP.
Comment by Sal on September 8, 2005 at 7:26 pm
Amen Razor. Good points.
Comment by RazorsKiss on September 8, 2005 at 7:28 pm
What magnitude was the typhoon? What sort of size did it reach? Was it wide enough to damage half of the Gulf Coast, as an equivalent?
Did it hit a city which is below sea level? Did it hit 3 fishing communities with 100+ year old houses lining the beaches?
That is what was on the beach in Mississippi, where it hit. Fishing communities, historic communities, with very old houses.
It wasn’t an industrial area, really. Gulfport was the closest industrialized area, and it wasn’t any great shakes, either.
Keep in mind that Japan is geared toward natural disasters. They have the earthquakes – and they are AN ISLAND COUNTRY.
Think Florida. They get hit about as frequently as Japan does. They fare better, too. Mississippi doesn’t get hit often. We got hit by a very, very large storm, where it knocked power out in JACKSON. Look up where Jackson, Mississippi is. See how far away from the coast that is. That should give you an idea of the scope of this storm.
It was HUGE. It was still at Cat 1 hurricane status all the way into Hattiesburg. 70 miles north of the coast.
The Weather Channel wrote this on their blog:
DO you understand what hit us, here? The largest, most powerful hurricane to hit in over 70 years. The largest natural disaster in the past century in this country, surely.
It’s massive. It’s enormous. There are no words to describe the SCALE of destruction. Not just the small, wooden houses – but massive, concrete/steel structures. This is not a massively industrialized, urban area. This is rural farm country. You don’t see that in Japan. Not like this. It’s like the Midwest, in that respect.
In New Orleans, the whole city has known, and has ALWAYS known this would happen. Why, do you think, did New Orleans acquire the Big Easy moniker? It was because they knew they could all blow away, anytime. They just didn’t expect it to happen to them.
Poor baby.
We’re not worried about FEMA. FEMA is not in charge of our operations. They have not been, and they are not now. Local, County, State – THEN federal.
You don’t know what FEMA does, or how they work, obviously.
It’s not the federal government’s job to do the state and local government’s job for them.
Mississippi has done an awesome job coordinating outside help with local assets. Louisiana hasn’t. That’s state level, bucko. Not federal.
I don’t want FEMA running things. They don’t live here. They aren’t running things here, either. We are. That’s why things are working.
They ARE working, too.
Hattiesburg has power, Wiggins has power, and a large percentage of the coast has power, now. They have food, water, power, phone. Things are working.
No, you idiot. It’s missing because a Hurricane hit it. I’m sorry, but my faith in government does not extend to the prevention of hurricanes.
Yeah, sure. And pigs fly.
Zone what? 300 year old, historic communities, like Pass Christian? You DO know that’s how old Pass Christian is, right? That it’s a fishing community, with little to no other industry?
I do. I like it. I live here. I’ll still live here.
You don’t. Get over it, and quit telling us what to do, buddy ‘ol pal. If you like Japan so much – stay there, and shut the heck up.
New Orleans’ luck finally ran out. We’ve always been expecting this to happen, and it finally did. Sucks, but that’s life. That’s always been New Orleans’ deep, dark secret. That’s why we don’t live there, although my dad works there. For that express reason. Because one day, someday, it would go under. It did. It’s not unsurprising. We knew it would happen one day. So did New Orleans. They’re paying the piper now, after so many years of dodging the bullet.
Know what? I don’t think any of them have any clue what just hit us, either.
Neither do you. So I’m not particularly worried about what you, or any other ignorant armchair commentators, regardless of country, think about it.
Good for them.
Uh, I see what’s going on down the street. I live here. Spare me the “you’re misinformed” bullcrap. I live here, moron.
Yeah, I have NO idea what happens in my own community. Idiot.
I know there were. Those are PAR FOR THE COURSE. In an emergency, YOU SEE HEROISM. It’s the DEPRAVITY that was beyond the pale. Mississippi got hit pretty darn hard, too. We weren’t shooting at the rescue copters, and raping people in shelters.
That’s the deal, Neal.
“All hail government!”
Screw the federal government. I’m a lot happier with what we have. Local governments, buttressed by State governments, buttressed by the Federal government. That’s how it’s working in MIssissippi, and it’s working great. I live here, remember.
You don’t. So you have no idea, and no way of knowing, save what the media tells you.
I SEE IT FOR MYSELF, EVERYDAY, FIRSTHAND.
It’s working fine. So kindly shut your stupid yap. You don’t know.
We’re doing just fine, and we appreciate the people actually HELPING. Unlike you. GO take a long walk off a short pier.
Comment by Suzi on September 8, 2005 at 10:31 pm
I know that many people around the world are thinking the US is going down because of Katrina. But that’s not how we work. We have always done better in adversity.
I am glad you’re okay.
Comment by Mumon on September 9, 2005 at 6:14 am
I don’t have the stamina to go through your response line by line. I’ve had a long day. It’s 8PM now, and I’ve been working since 2AM. (That’s what jet lag and tight time constraints do…) But…
Me: Maybe you missed my blog, but the Japanese sent researchers to figure out the hydrology so it can be prevented there (where Category 5 typhoons are rare because the water’s significantly colder).
You: Yeah, sure. And pigs fly.
You doubt that they sent researchers? Or you doubt that they can do something about it?
Dude, this is the place where the Kanto eathquake happened in the 20s. You know about that? You don’t have a complaint if you know about that. That little natural disaster levelled the city of Tokyo.
You:Zone what? 300 year old, historic communities, like Pass Christian? You DO know that’s how old Pass Christian is, right? That it’s a fishing community, with little to no other industry?
Actually, no I didn’t know that, but I’m not surprised. I lived in 300 year old towns myself when I lived in NY. But we digress, unless you want me to mention the 2,000 year old town I was staying in last week, which, despite the notoriously earthquake prone whole of Japan, harbors the oldest standing wooden structure in the world (1300 years old).
Call it luck, call it an adaption of a people who have a long history of coping with natural disasters, call it whatever.
But what I’m really talking about is doing basic R&D to make sure that flooding events are rare events, and when they do, it’s possible to evacuate them quickly.
DO you understand what hit us, here?
Yes I do. It’s a pimple on a gnat’s butt compared to the tsunami. It’s a hiccup compared to the Great Kanto Earthquake. Dude, the whole world gets that stuff THAT’S WHY YOU PREPARE FOR THEM. That’s what REALLY being “pro-life” is about!
I don’t want FEMA running things. They don’t live here. They aren’t running things here, either. We are. That’s why things are working.
You mean you intended 10-40,000 dead, rotting stinking bodies?
“All hail government!”
Screw the federal government. I’m a lot happier with what we have. Local governments, buttressed by State governments, buttressed by the Federal government. That’s how it’s working in MIssissippi, and it’s working great. I live here, remember.
You don’t. So you have no idea, and no way of knowing, save what the media tells you.
Let me put it to you very, very simple: Today, I was having meetings all afternoon, on the 20th floor of an office building in the Tokyo area built on landfill(you know what that does in earthquakes?) that was spec’d to withstand the NEXT Great Kanto earthquake.
That’s what REAL governments do. REAL FEDERAL governments.
I was in this building a few years ago. It was in an earthquake. I was a bit nervous in the meeitng. None of the Japanese where.
Don’t tell me I don’t know what I”m talking about.
You’ve no idea what being a neighbor is all about in the “Good Samaritan” sense, whereas the largely non-Christian Japanese get it in a nanosecond.
Your method? Tens of thousands of dead poor people nearby.
And what you, personally, went through (I read your blog when I can), is nothing compared to the poor folk who became corpses in New Orleans because they couldn’t get out in time.
Comment by blestwithsons on September 9, 2005 at 6:30 am
Joshua! Dude! You totally rock. Thanks for this start to my day – it was better than coffee.
But honestly, there is no point arguing with an armchair quarterback who basically just implied you’d only have credibility if you drowned.
Comment by Bethany on September 9, 2005 at 3:58 pm
Blest,
I just remembered why I love you so much. You are pretty cool! And I totally agree with your comment!
Comment by Matthew Goggins on September 10, 2005 at 8:53 pm
Hello Joshua and all,
I just left a comment on your September 5th post that I think you will find very interesting.
I had to hedge my wording a lot for legal reasons (can’t be too careful about that sort of thing sometimes), but I have provided a link that I am convinced possbily debunks several of Mumon’s complaints. It’s comment number 12.
Best wishes to everybody, and please be patient with Mumon, I think he means well.