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The Trilemma: Use as Directed

As I have said in previous Vox Apologias with this common theme – “useful, or useless” – all apologetics are merely tools. Every defense has an object, a particular use, and an audience best suited for it. I have also said that I disagree with the “you must only use a certain type” of apologetics approach. Be it presuppositional, evidential, or what have you. This is much the same way. It is a tool. As with most tools, it has a specific purpose, and will be quite useless if you attempt to use it for something other than it’s specific purpose.

My thesis: The Trilemma has a particular audience, and a particular application. If these two conditions are not suitable, the Trilemma will not be effective, or it’s effect will be severely limited.

No apologetic is a substitute for study, effort, and prayerful consideration. The Trilemma is no exception. This apologetic has a very specific purpose, and is an answer to a very specific assertion: That Jesus was only a great moral teacher. The apologetic rests on one presupposition: That Jesus claimed to be God.

When using the Trilemma, you must do two things. One, consider your audience. Two, have a definite application, complementing the apologetic. They must both coincide, or you are wasting your time.

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5 Questions: The Unstoppable Meme

My response to Mumon’s 5 questions, as posted here.
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The next Vox, unfortunately, will be hosted here once again. I’ll have it up tomorrow morning, once I get back from work.

I got tapped to work tonight… again. Which means that I worked Saturday night, had church this morning, had 3 hours or so of sleep between church services – and now have to go to work again. So, obviously… I haven’t had much time. (For those who don’t know, I have a new job, on graveyard shift – as well as a couple other projects and personal concerns which have severely curtailed my blogging. So, please excuse my lack of posting lately.)

Which was the time I WAS going to use to finish that surprise I talked about. I *should* have that surprise up and ready by the next Vox – and running how it’s supposed to be. Until then… please be patient, and thank you for your consideration! I do appreciate it.

I know several of you have left comments that I really should reply to… and I will. I have projects I *need* to get done – and they are my first priority at the present time. Blogging was, to be honest, supposed to be a part-time hobby to begin with. For a while, it became almost an all-consuming thing, due to the need I felt to organize and link together the apologetic bloggers, and to seek out and find as many as I could, so you could all meet each other. That has been my passion for the last few months – and still is. When my time constraints returned to normal, I had to set something up to continue the ministry I started, with a smaller time “budget” – and that’s what I’m trying to get set up. So… please be patient. In doing so, I’ve run into those time restraints (as well as discovering more…), while simultaneously trying to cover several other projects.

In other words… neither my available time, nor my time management skills have been up to the task. So, I apologize for not coming through on my promises on time.

Once this is done, I’m hoping we’ll have a newer, better Daily Cut style series, an awesome home for the Vox Apologia Symposium, and a reference library for apologetics blogging. Circumstances just haven’t let me accomplish everything I had planned to do, in the time I had to do them. I’ve barely blogged at all in the past few weeks! I will get back to blogging, and to “normal” (albeit with a bit less time, which, honestly, has been a long time coming :D) soon – but, in the meantime, please be patient. I really think you’ll like the results coming from my recent hiatus.

Once again.. stand by for updates. And thank you, as always, for visiting my humble abode.

Thanks!
~RK

91% of responses followed a uniform theme that the decline in traditional Christian moral and doctrinal teaching has caused the outflux of congregations. They listed the lack of apologetics, the reasoned defence and explanation of Christian doctrine, as one of the main reasons for the collapse. “It’s a myth today that the people of this country have rejected Christianity; they simply haven’t been told enough about it to either accept or reject it,” wrote one respondent.

Source: Lifesite.net

Don’t tell me it’s not important….

The Direction of Apologetics Blogging

Is something I want to change.

See, we’re all on our particular blogs, blogging about topics all over the spectrum.

I want to do something about this – get all the apologetics blogging in one place – at least “pointing to” from one place.

That place will not be here. Not because I’m not willing to do it – but because it has to be a cooperative effort by multiple members of the blogosphere in order for it to be something less than an overwhelming task for a single person, or even a few people. Trust me – I could spend all night, every night, on the Daily Cut – and still not cover more than a portion, or anything close to a full treatment of apologetics.

I’m talking about a BIG group blog. With forums, with all the little doodads and resources a major site can offer. I just bought a big webhosting package that can do it with ease – and I’ll volunteer to pay for it, or whatever. What I want, though, is unity, and centrality. Not for “purity” or anything – or to conform it to my own direction; But, in order to present a unified front to the world – of Christianity united in defense of it’s principles, in opposition to a hostile, ever-increasing bevy of worldviews. This must, and this has to be, done, for apologetics to become effective, and noticeable.

How do I think this can be accomplished?

1) A user-friendly, well-appointed, organized central blog. A “clearing house” for blog-based apologetics work – or otherwise, for that matter.

2) A supporting website with all the resources we need, and a central archive of apologetics work by the members and/or contributors.

3) Forums, for formal and informal debates.

4) “Departmental” focus. See, there are a great deal of possible topics to defend, and many worldviews, and sub-sets of those worldviews, to do “stronghold demolition” on. I think there should be “departments” which take on their “specialties” – this way, we can all tailor our strengths, and shore up each other’s weaknesses. I’m weak, for example, in creation vs. evolution/bioethics. I’m weak in Biblical “problems” defenses. I’m strong(er) in anti-humanism, philosophy (to an extent), and offensive “take it to the opponent” apologetics. So, under this plan – I’d be in the “humanism” department, for instance.

5) A central location to host Vox Apologia. Now, I know most Carnivals have a “migratory” setting. However, we need to decide something. Is the purpose to highlight blogs and bloggers, or to provide a topical defense of Christianity, and it’s tenets? We can still use posts on individual blogs – but if we’re going to have a large group blog set up specifically for this purpose – let’s use it to host, so that we aren’t sending people hither and yon any more than possible. Note: This isn’t a specifically targeted thing. I’m throwing out an idea for public consumption.

6) A central “fortress” for skeptics to attack/object to. See, if there’s nothing concrete to attack, and the battles go on piecemeal, we’re never going to be unified, or act in like manner. If there is a central “fortress”, we can BOTH defend from within it, and make sallies from it.

Get the idea? If enough of us are in one place, we can present that unified front – and act in concert and cooperation.

7) Give skeptics a place to aim their skepticism. Not at us per se, but to the Christians who minister in this way, to answer their honest questions. If we don’t answer, they may be hard-pressed to find an answer from Christianity these days, sadly. I’m not saying “apologists are the only ones who can answer skeptics” – I’m saying that we can both improve our study, our skills, and our witness, by giving them the opportunity, with people who want to do it, and have a heart to do it. In addition, we can provide a group that can “take the heat” better than most – and, thus, take the heat off of people not as used to taking it. Face it – if you’re an apologist/debater – you’re used to getting zinged by the other side. Constantly. if you haven’t developed a thick skin – you need one, posthaste 😀

There’s some general ideas, as far as the philosophy goes, and the needs I want to meet.

So, here’s my logistical ideas, thus far.

URL: voxapologia.org – or, weaponsofwarfare.org (to steal Andrew’s title – I WANT him in on this!)

Group members (to start with)

10

Topics: (departments?)

Atheism, Agnosticism, Cults, Humanism, “Life” issues (Euthanasia, Abortion, etc.), Doctrine/Theology, Biblical studies (defending the Bible as Truth, with a capital T), “Objections” answered, Debates

Things I want to include:

Invitations to skeptics to ask questions, and have it discussed as a “main” topic.

A formal debate forum.

A language moderated “informal” debate forum.

A “skeptics corner” – where skeptics can ask, atheists can challenge, and we can answer.

An expanded version of my “Daily Cut”, where we can put a *lot* of people on the task – and really get a good cross-section of apologetics on the web, and especially, in the blogosphere – daily.

Please, discuss, and give me some ideas and feedback. I’m going to do this – but I need your elp and input.

So get to it.

P.S. – I’m on instant messengers, if anyone wants to chat with me in the evening. Go to my main site: – look to your right – all my im information is there. Click, and talk. Or, email me. rk AT razorskiss DOT net

I’m Curious

I just put a poll up on my main site, because I’m curious as to what the answers would be.

I’d like you to do me a favor, and disseminate this poll, so I can get a good cross-section.

The question is: “What is the target of your apologetics?”

Update:

Fixed the link, and the poll..

Click this link to visit, and vote. Thanks!

P.S. – Here’s an interesting quote.

Basically, apologetics is equivalent to theology in sneakers. It means getting the hay down off the loft and down to where the cows can eat it. Anyone can ‘do’ apologetics. All it takes is a willingness, a little work, and the Spirit of God in you.

Introduction to Apologetics, CARM.org

Questions for God: Who will answer?

A post at the Bible Archive gave me a interesting link to an atheistic site – which asks questions of God.

The questions are here.

The answers thus far are here.

The intro to the page says this: “God, if you truly exist, we have a few (dozen) questions for you. Why don’t you answer them for us? P.S. Any of your followers are welcome to answer these too. This is just the start of questions we have and there are obviously some we neglected in this version. So, all atheists, please submit your questions to be added to the list. And… “God”, you’re omniscient, so you know how to contact us, but for your followers and the atheists… Go here… CONTACT US.”

Also, on the page, it says: “God…

Sorry if these questions sound a little sarcastic. It’s just that we’ve been asking these for a very long time and we haven’t heard from you yet. Are you listening?”

My answer: Yes.

My challenge: Apologists! This is what we do. Go forth! Email, (or trackback to this post) your answers – and I’ll list them for you in a single post.

I want to make it clear: Please, please be careful to be a good witness, and a defender of the faith. God doesn’t give points for good arguments. He just expects us to give an answer – His answer.

(HT: Bible Archive.)

Got Gospel?

It’s perhaps one of the most interesting questions in Christendom. “If you have never heard the Gospel – what happens to you?”

Well, there’s several verses which pertain to it. There’s several schools of thought.

Here is my take.

“The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands. 2 Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.” (Psalm 19)

God’s creation testifies to His existence. Also:

” For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from (by) faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”

It’s not brain surgery, in my humble opinion. Whatever men need to know about God – He has revealed. I’ll say along with James Holding: “Those who want to know it, will be given the knowledge needed for salvation. Those who seek God will have God sufficiently revealed to them.”

Also, as he notes: “Nevertheless, it is not lack of hearing the Gospel that causes condemnation; it is sin that causes condemnation, and it is not hard to arrive at a deduction that sin is offensive to whatever powers one may suppose to be at hand (indeed, the religious history of sacrifice and penance suggests a broad awareness of this!) and that there needs to be some connection or bridge in order to achieve a reconciliation.”

One last thing: Jesus said, Himself, that the Gospel is hidden from those who think themselves wise.

“In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.”

I’m not interested in a “God isn’t fair” argument. God is NOT fair. He is Just, and He is Merciful. All deserve His Justice – by which all sin results in death. So, regardless of whether they heard the gospel or not – they are condemned. However, God is also merciful – so, He offers a chance to be saved from His Justice, by His Mercy. This is the Gospel. Are all granted the specific mercy of hearing the Gospel? No. Do you need the Gospel to be saved? Well… not exactly. “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.” But does the Gospel contain that? Yes. In today’s society, it’s hard to imagine someone who has not heard the Gospel. In far countries, and in foreign lands, it is possible noone has heard. From what missionaries tell us, though – it is more frequent to see a foundation laid in that place for the Gospel, than it is to not see one.

So, my basic wrap-up?

Who are we to say what happens?

If God grants us the Gospel, we are recipients of His mercy. He grants that mercy to whomever He will. We all deserve Justice. Some receive His mercy. Even that is much, much more than we deserve.

So… who knows? Our goal should be to “go, tell it on the mountain – over the hills and everywhere”. Only God knows exactly what happens. All I know is that His Justice – AND His Mercy – are utterly, inconceivably far above mine. Second-guessing either is just as utterly foolish.

The Argument From Evil II

Hookflash has an answer to my reply in his comments section.

This is a continuation of this discussion. Click “more” below to read the entire entry. It’s a bit long for a full post on the front page.

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The Argument from Evil

– In response to Hookflash vs. World‘s Carnival of the Godless entry.

In your post, you presented the argument from Evil.

The Argument from Evil essentially goes like this: If God is willing but not able to prevent evil, then he is not omnipotent. If he is able but not willing, then he is not benevolent. If he is neither able nor willing, then why call him God? If he is both able and willing, then why is there evil?

Well, let me give you an example, from the theology I know, to answer that argument, and see what you think, ok?

Let’s take it at a run. Should you be interested in the dialogue after that, we’ll continue. It’s a tough one – most good questions are.

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I’m interested in why you are reducing the individual questions to either-or. I’m also curious as to why you are making the assumption that those two choices are, in fact, the only two options in those particular cases.

I would define “free will” per the dictionary: “The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.”

Note the “or”. Let’s focus on the second half of that. “unconstrained by the divine will”, as that is the meaning pertinent to the discussion. Every will is, by necessity, not entirely free. Circumstances impinge, and always will. Within those circumstances, we have the ability to choose our own course of action, to the extent to which we are able.

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