Is up, at Greatest Pursuits.

And this just.. flows off my fingers.

All at once. I didn’t even use backspace once. That was supremely cool.

Thought it might be a blessing to someone.

Genesis tells us, rather plainly, several important things, which must, in order for Christianity, and Creation, to be true, stand in total antithesis to Evolutionary theory.

First:

Physical matter is of supernatural, not natural, origin.

This, obviously, is a place the two views stand in complete antithesis. The Creation view is that God, from His own power, and His own Word, created everything that we consider “natural”. Nature itself, and all it contains, is a product of the Will and Word of God. The Evolutionary views vary. There is a view that matter, space, time, and energy have always existed. There is a view that says that it all came into existence Ex Nihilo, in a similar manner to God’s creation of it. There is still another view which says that energy has always existed – and that everything else resulted from a change from energy into matter.

Second:

Man is of supernatural origin, and created in the image of God – Not the product of eons of progressive changes, resulting in what is now known as man.

Evolutionary theory once again stands in total antithesis to Creation theory. Evolution says that man is nothing “special” – only his own uniqueness makes him special. If even that. He is simply the product of blind chance – a (dare I say miraculous?) step by step occurrence which has led to modern man, as he now stands, on his own two feet. Creation, and, specifically, Judeo-Christian thought, holds man to be in the image of God Himself – and thus worthy of dignity and importance, as a reflection of the awesome God who created Him.

Third:

Man is an improvement upon all that came before – and can improve still further. This contrasts with the Judeo-Christian thought forms which hold man to be created perfect, distinct, and as he is seen today – with one crucial difference. Man has Fallen, and is thus regressing, not progressing.

This is a very, very crucial difference. Evolution holds that man may perfect himself – and that this is the inevitable nature of things. Creation holds that man was already perfect- and that his relationship with God maintained that perfection. Once his relationship with God was damaged – so was man. The ills and evils of mankind since are a reflection of a process of regression – not progression. I cannot stress enough what a significant difference this makes. In one, man is inherently good – and can become still better. In the other, man is inherently evil – and must seek out the source of his original perfection.

Is there any reconciliation possible between these two views of the very fabric of our existence?

No.

When we look at nature, and say “this is all there is” – we forget what we all ask, and have within the very weave of our souls – “is this all there is?”

We must answer the first – “No, it isn’t.” We must answer the second – “No – and we will know what else there is, as we already know that there is more.”

Evolution discards the soul. We know we have souls. We know that these souls are missing something – just as all of nature seems to be missing something. That something is our Creator, and nature’s Supernatural.

We dare not, we must not, and we cannot look an enemy in the face – and turn away as if it is irrelevant. We made that crucial mistake when this enemy first appeared – and we dare not continue. We cannot look at naturalism – at evolution – and spit in our Creator’s face by saying “so what if they deny you?” Romans warns us what excuses exist, for those who deny their Creator. None. His Creation, regardless of attempts to deny it’s Creator, stands as a testament to His power, His majesty, and His creativity – as do we. Despite the philosophical dexterity accompanying the devaluation of man, while simultaneously exalting his attributes – we should take it as a warning. If we exalt the natural – we dethrone the supernatural – we dethrone God – and take His place as the pinnacle. When we take over the pinnacle – we set ourselves up as God.

This is the result of evolutionary theory. The rise of humanism – the rise of human pride. We follow in the footsteps of someone else who thought to usurp God’s place – and follow him to his eventual destination.

So, can we say “So what” to evolution? No. Never.

I realized, after a couple questions from a friend of mine – that I may be guilty of over-structuring a brand new idea.

In fact – upon further reflection… I probably am. However – while I don’t want to be guilty of one extreme – I also do not want to be guilty of the other.

So, while we may develop a firmer structure over time – I don’t want to begin devoid of it.

So… let me outline the priorities of this project, as I envision it – and how I’d like to apply it.

Dissemination of Information:

While information is readily available – it is limited to the scope, or breadth, of the individual searching for it. An advantage of a group is that you have multiple individuals, who look in varied places for varying information. My hope is that the individuals who want to help with this blog can do 2 things.

1. Search for, link to, and comment on, apologetics being done, apologetics needed, and apologetics as a theory, and a philosophy.

2. Spotlight the good, the bad, and the ugly – and direct people to examine it; in order to defend it, oppose it, or repudiate it.

Which brings us to the second point.

Create a Community:

While apologetics is often a lonely activity – it is lonely precisely because it is so disorganized. We have a myriad of apologetics organizations and resources – but they just do not work together in concert. The blogosphere is incredibly good at linking things together. this, friends, is what is normally called a “community”. Let me challenge you with something. How many of you, on the aggregator, even knew the others existed, prior to being added to it? How many new friends, or new blogs did you find as a result? Is that not building a community?

Now – what we realize is that not everyone on the aggregator is what we’d commonly consider an apologist. Many are theologians, or reformers, or astute observers and commentators. Several who are apologists are not in it. However- regardless – we’ve created a community. What I want to do is create a communal center. Not in the way Communism wants community – but in the way that a community, once established sufficiently, organizes itself as such. It builds roads, erects a city hall, and establishes an order peculiar to its surroundings and circumstances.

We are a martial – if not militant – group. I want to build a fortress, and man the walls. Once a community has a sufficent defense – they can think about going on the offense. This often brings another set of problems with it – that of an over-reliance on safety. However, due to the nature of our calling – I’m going to trust that it won’t happen – and that we will not let it happen. regardless – once this defense has been established – the defenders can man the walls, and do it ably. The offensive can then take place, with the knowledge that the defense is ably attended to.

Do you see my hypothesis? If we set up as a central bastion something to be attacked, and defended from – we can also have a secure area to go on the offensive from – instead of going forth into single combat. Pick it apart if you like – but keep the general principle in mind, will you? We have the full armor of God – but we also have the virtual Kingdom. Let us build a citadel within that Kingdom – shall we?

An “Industrial” Base:

Every army has behind it, the resources of the Kingdom it fights for. Are we any different? We have the Word as our weapon, and our doctrines as our armor – but our resources should be collected, stored, and used to further our efforts. We all have written a great deal of material on various issues – but how do we find it, amidst the wash of all of our disparate blogs? Answer: We start creating a library.

Vox Apologia was a small beginning. It won’t be the end. We all have at least 2-3 things we could contribute. Why don’t we collect the links and tie together the subject matter into a library of treatments of various topics? The Argument from Evil is a common argument used.

How many of us have responded to it? I have. I know several others who have as well. A quick read through our various treatments would give a significantly fuller treatment to the subject – don’t you agree?

The same goes for a lot of things. So, out of the various things I want to do – those stand out as the primary functions. The rest are just outgrowths of those ideals.

So, I’ll use the second half of my name – KISS. Keep it simple, stupid!

Comments, Questions, Suggestions?

Leave your message, after the tone…

Alright – we have a bit of interest now.

I’m suspending my Daily Cut, and my Schaeffer study until I get this done – and we are decided on what to do.

This means that I want, and need, your input and prayerful counsel.

The plan thus far:

1) A new domain name – I bought voxapologia.org I wanted it anyway. If we use it, cool. If we don’t… VA can use it all by itself. Regardless… it’s a good name, and I came up with it. So, neener neener.

2) A group blog + extra features.

I installed WP 1.5 today, on the VA domain, and a set of forums as well. I’m not going to mess with templating quite yet. I’ll do a portal, too, if anyone wants – but I want to see what we want to do, first. So… what all do we want? I have a pretty superly hefty webhosting package – so seriously… don’t be shy.

3) Archival of contributor/submitted apologetics work – or links to it. Whichever/both.

And people to archive it/collect it/organize it – and to write it.

4) Central “command post” for Vox Apologia. I’m really thinking that since VA is a symposium, not a carnival – it should be rooted in one place. I know you guys would like the traffic – but really… VA isn’t exactly a traffic generator – you know? It’s a collection of symposiums on various topics. If someone different wants to host the VA there, and be the “guest director”, giving their blog a plug – that’s awesome. It’s just almost more of a pain than it’s worth, with the migrating hosting. Especially since we can make this a permanent, regular fixture this way – with no worries about “late announcements” (kick me, please), or the like. And, with a group blog… there’s more people to blame! (Instead of just me :P)

5) Place for skeptics/apologists to engage each other. The initial skirmishes can be blog trackbacks, etc – but “tracking the discussions” is helpful, and informative. We can discuss here, track discussions back and forth, or etc. Regardless, a group blog also generates multiple people who can help with the tracking. If I have to, I’ll do it myself – but I’d prefer some help 😀

6) Place for skeptics/other worldviews/religions to put their questions to – someone they can expect a reasonable, biblically sound answer, on a wide variety of issues, and multiple perspectives. Such a place needs to exist in the blogosphere. Forums are good – and we can add that to a stable of resources – but blogging is much more… network-capable. Which is why it’s grown so much. However – what we lack is a hub. I’ll build it.

Let ’em come, and let us invite them.

7) A focus on both general, active, and issue-specific apologetics. Let me explain.

General:

There are two general “areas” – offensive and defensive – which I believe go together. This is general apologetics.

Active:

Offensive:

There needs to be a way to actively engage the agnostic/atheistic/humanistic blogosphere – as well as any other sort of issue which apologetics comes into. We need to mobilize, and organize. Having a central “dispatch office” is what I’m planning this for. The springboard is my key focus, though. We all like to write on our own blogs. That’s cool – and it does some good work. However, we need to be both training for and actively searching for opportunities to go on the offensive, and engage others ourselves. Blogs are flytraps – they aren’t flies. I want to be a fly – that another flytrap can’t seem to digest. Know what I mean? This is a pretty consistent theme with me. “GO” and make disciples of all nations – not “sit and home, and wait for potential disciples to come to you.” Now, we’re to make our homes as inviting as possible, for when we invite them to have coffee, and talk things over – but I think that as apologists, our job is to go out and engage – then bring them back home to talk things over, if we can pique their interest, or challenge their arguments.

Defense:

If they want to “come to us” – we’ll have both the blog and the forum to work from, and through. So, we can use it both as a springboard, and as a flytrap. Every blog is a fly trap. The point is to make a big, fat, juicy-looking flytrap – which also happens to be where we go out from to engage the world, the culture, and the ideas “raised up against” Christ, and His word. We all know how to defend, from our specific “areas of interest”. An assortment of apologists, who contribute, link to, or categorize their own work in a central location, could be a formidable array of defenses. This is something I want to discuss – logistics. I’d be willing to put the entirety of my apologetics work into a new blog. That’s what I wrote it all for, in addition to the specific issue I was writing it for initially. Who else would be willing to do so, or at least go through and categorize what work they have done thus far, and linkfarm it all?

Issue-Specific:

By category, or target audience. So far I have the following – please comment if you see any you think are missing – and why you think they’re important.

Atheism
Agnosticism
Cults
Humanism
“Life” issues (Euthanasia, Abortion, etc.)
Doctrine/Theology misconceptions
Biblical (defending the Bible itself)
Common/specific “Objections” answers
Debates
Other religions
Philosophy
Culture
General Skepticism (Skeptic’s Corner?)
Seeking Truth

Any more?

< ------------------------------------------------>

So, there’s the general plan, as it stands right now. Form, and direction are yet undecided to a great extent – my personal goal is as outlined above, with input from a couple people thus far.

Expressing interest in participating:

Joshua Duncan, of The Lazy Logician/HAT

Tim, from Church Voices

Alex Forrest, who is studying for a degree in apologetics.

Catez, from AllThings2All

Now – do me a favor.

Read the above, whoever else is thinking about it. Tell me if you can help with one of several things.

1) Assist with collecting/posting apologetics links and blog entries on a semi-regular basis. From maybe, say, 5 blogs, that fit your interests, and are blogging about apologetics-related topics.

2) Go debate/discuss with another worldview – tell us about it, send us a link to it.

3) Write about one of the above topics – and send the links – or give links to your collections of apologetics entries on various subjects.

4) Collect links from bloggers from other worldviews, asking tough questions about God – or looking for answers – or someone to answer.

5) What else can we do? Some of the above are more time-consuming than others. I can tell you, though – reading 5-6 blogs and getting apologetics-related links isn’t that time-consuming. You don’t have to do it daily. Take a read through once a week, and send us what you collect – or contribute yourself and post it on the group blog. Whatever you think would help.

So – what can I/we do to help you, as an apologist – and what can apologists do to help each other? That’s the point here – and that’s the goal. The mission is the same – defend the gospel, destroy strongholds. The strategy I want to use is a bit different. I want fellow strategists – or even short comments or suggestions. Seriously – just tell me – what do you want, or need? I’ll do my best – and I hope others feel the same way.

Is something I want to change.

See, we’re all on our particular blogs, blogging about topics all over the spectrum.

I want to do something about this – get all the apologetics blogging in one place – at least “pointing to” from one place.

That place will not be here. Not because I’m not willing to do it – but because it has to be a cooperative effort by multiple members of the blogosphere in order for it to be something less than an overwhelming task for a single person, or even a few people. Trust me – I could spend all night, every night, on the Daily Cut – and still not cover more than a portion, or anything close to a full treatment of apologetics.

I’m talking about a BIG group blog. With forums, with all the little doodads and resources a major site can offer. I just bought a big webhosting package that can do it with ease – and I’ll volunteer to pay for it, or whatever. What I want, though, is unity, and centrality. Not for “purity” or anything – or to conform it to my own direction; But, in order to present a unified front to the world – of Christianity united in defense of it’s principles, in opposition to a hostile, ever-increasing bevy of worldviews. This must, and this has to be, done, for apologetics to become effective, and noticeable.

How do I think this can be accomplished?

1) A user-friendly, well-appointed, organized central blog. A “clearing house” for blog-based apologetics work – or otherwise, for that matter.

2) A supporting website with all the resources we need, and a central archive of apologetics work by the members and/or contributors.

3) Forums, for formal and informal debates.

4) “Departmental” focus. See, there are a great deal of possible topics to defend, and many worldviews, and sub-sets of those worldviews, to do “stronghold demolition” on. I think there should be “departments” which take on their “specialties” – this way, we can all tailor our strengths, and shore up each other’s weaknesses. I’m weak, for example, in creation vs. evolution/bioethics. I’m weak in Biblical “problems” defenses. I’m strong(er) in anti-humanism, philosophy (to an extent), and offensive “take it to the opponent” apologetics. So, under this plan – I’d be in the “humanism” department, for instance.

5) A central location to host Vox Apologia. Now, I know most Carnivals have a “migratory” setting. However, we need to decide something. Is the purpose to highlight blogs and bloggers, or to provide a topical defense of Christianity, and it’s tenets? We can still use posts on individual blogs – but if we’re going to have a large group blog set up specifically for this purpose – let’s use it to host, so that we aren’t sending people hither and yon any more than possible. Note: This isn’t a specifically targeted thing. I’m throwing out an idea for public consumption.

6) A central “fortress” for skeptics to attack/object to. See, if there’s nothing concrete to attack, and the battles go on piecemeal, we’re never going to be unified, or act in like manner. If there is a central “fortress”, we can BOTH defend from within it, and make sallies from it.

Get the idea? If enough of us are in one place, we can present that unified front – and act in concert and cooperation.

7) Give skeptics a place to aim their skepticism. Not at us per se, but to the Christians who minister in this way, to answer their honest questions. If we don’t answer, they may be hard-pressed to find an answer from Christianity these days, sadly. I’m not saying “apologists are the only ones who can answer skeptics” – I’m saying that we can both improve our study, our skills, and our witness, by giving them the opportunity, with people who want to do it, and have a heart to do it. In addition, we can provide a group that can “take the heat” better than most – and, thus, take the heat off of people not as used to taking it. Face it – if you’re an apologist/debater – you’re used to getting zinged by the other side. Constantly. if you haven’t developed a thick skin – you need one, posthaste 😀

There’s some general ideas, as far as the philosophy goes, and the needs I want to meet.

So, here’s my logistical ideas, thus far.

URL: voxapologia.org – or, weaponsofwarfare.org (to steal Andrew’s title – I WANT him in on this!)

Group members (to start with)

10

Topics: (departments?)

Atheism, Agnosticism, Cults, Humanism, “Life” issues (Euthanasia, Abortion, etc.), Doctrine/Theology, Biblical studies (defending the Bible as Truth, with a capital T), “Objections” answered, Debates

Things I want to include:

Invitations to skeptics to ask questions, and have it discussed as a “main” topic.

A formal debate forum.

A language moderated “informal” debate forum.

A “skeptics corner” – where skeptics can ask, atheists can challenge, and we can answer.

An expanded version of my “Daily Cut”, where we can put a *lot* of people on the task – and really get a good cross-section of apologetics on the web, and especially, in the blogosphere – daily.

Please, discuss, and give me some ideas and feedback. I’m going to do this – but I need your elp and input.

So get to it.

P.S. – I’m on instant messengers, if anyone wants to chat with me in the evening. Go to my main site: – look to your right – all my im information is there. Click, and talk. Or, email me. rk AT razorskiss DOT net

My interview, as requested by Rey.

Hey Razor, here’s your interview questions, brother:
1. How did you get into apologetics?

Well, I’ve always been a big-time debate junkie. I love debates, I love the challenge, and I love the atmosphere of them.

However – when I “regained” my equilibrium (as a Christian), I found myself drawn more and more to defending the faith – partially because I debate so often, and partially because I tended to hang out in places where there wasn’t much, if any, of a Christian presence – specifically, gaming forums, communities, and the like. Most of those communities are made up of younger folks – and there really, really, are not many older, well-grounded Christians that play games. Gaming communities, as you may know, can be absolutely huge. So, I began “apologetics”, starting with general debates with non-Christians on forums. I’ve dabbled for quite a long time on talkorigins, and the usenet world as well – but primarily, my catalyst was gaming forums, and communities.

2. How long have you been a speed reader?

For as long as I can remember. I remember thinking “wow, that was fast” from about 11-12 years old onward. I was homeschooled, so I never really encountered a whole lot of comparison with others my age until that time. I thought everyone read fast 😀

3. What is your dream job?

I really don’t know, to be honest. I’d love to be a rock singer, or a pro web designer. Heh. Among other things. Those two come to mind, though.

4. How many books have you read in the last 6 months?

Honestly? I have no idea. It’d be in the hundreds, though.

5. What’s one of your pet peeves?

Words used incorrectly.

Here’s how you can play the interview game:

1. Leave me a comment saying “interview me.” The first five commenters will be the participants.
2. I will respond by asking you five questions.
3. You will update your blog/site with the answers to the questions.
4. You will include this explanation and an offer to interview someone else in the same post.
5. When others comment asking to be interviewed, you will ask them five questions. (Write your own questions or borrow some.)

~ RK

Because… I’m going to a Skillet concert.

Skillet, you ask? Oh ho… they ROCK.

Muchly.

So, anyway… no blogging tonight. Sometimes, dear readers… you just have to headbang.

I mean, c’mon… think a guy whose online handle is “RazorsKiss” doesn’t headbang?

puhlease. hehe.

Have a good night.

UPDATE:

I have this persistent ringing in my ears… perhaps because I was 10 feet from one of their multi-massively-huge speaker racks? Holy crap, it was loud. Even for a rock concert.

In a word, folks… they FREAKING RULED.

1 1/2 hours of pure, unadulterated, auditory mayhem.

3 minute guitar solo by Ben Kasica… 3 minute drum solo by Lori Peters…

Oh, man… it was excessively loud. I loved it. This is my second concert with Skillet – and they’re insanely good. This was the last show on their tour – and it was excellent. I got some headbanging done (my neck is going to hurt tomorrow), and I think my ears will still be ringing tomorrow night. This means it was a successful concert!

Plus, my little brother (who has been a Skillet fan for 9 years), got to talk to John Cooper, finally – a dozen plus concerts later. He got 3 cd’s signed, and he’s going to have them done in vinyl, to put on his guitar case. (He also plays the bass, like John – and he is very good.)

So, a fun time was had by all. My other Skillet freak brother got sick today, though – so he missed out on it. He was upset, but he’ll be ok.

Whew. I’m tired, but super hyped-up. I had a friggin blast though. I missed choir practice tonight… my mom will be understanding, though. Because, really – we’ve missed just about every other sort of event to go to Skillet concerts before… hehe.

Latah! Hope I can hear something tomorrow….

Well, I actually have the next post in my The Great Evangelical Disaster series written – but instead of typing it out, I have been doing some thinking on various directions I want to take on this blog.

1) I want, very much so, to get active, offensively minded apologetics into the forefront here.

2) I want to be answering objections, questions, and skeptics, instead of only defending the faith for Christians.

3) I want to invite more discussion and dialogue both here, and blog-to-blog, about moral issues without the political bleed-over that seems to be the primary focus of the blogosphere.

4) I want to fix whatever has been going on with the Vox Apologia lately.

5) I want to be accountable to some theologically sound bloggers – I shouldn’t be “out there on my own”.

So, to address these points:

A) I’m going to be working on collecting objections, Atheist/agnostic sites, and the like, and doing short pieces on them. I’m also going to be doing more pieces geared toward “offensive” apologetics strategy, as well as engaging in a few, so you can pick them apart at your leisure. I have several up on my main site, already, if you care to look for them. They’re on the left, in the block titled “Debates/Apologetics”. Which reminds me.. I have to update it. Quite a bit.

B) I’m going to start a new feature called “The Skeptic’s Corner”, which will feature posts, questions, and objections from readers, or other bloggers who are skeptical of, or hostile to Christianity.

C) I’m going to go looking for blog posts which match common objections to Christianity – and invite discussion on the topic. I may even do a more targeted sort of Vox Apologia specifically directed toward that. Vox Strateia? 😀

D) VA, as I’ve been seeing, is getting a lot of “general” topics lately – and not a whole lot of “targeted” topics. I’m not sure why that is – but maybe it’s just the specific subjects, and my own tastes telling me this. (Sorry Dory, Phil.) I don’t know. I DO know we’ve had 4 total posts entered, in the last two weeks of topics. Yeah, there was a bit of confusion, and late announcements – but still… that’s pretty low. Maybe it’s just because “defensive” topics never interest me as much as “offensive” ones. Heck if I know.

The next three week’s topics are more interesting (to me). “Evolution versus Creation” (always a hot topic), “The least of these” (Children and God, I assume), and my own topic – “Humanism’s Dangerous Claim” – my personal “hot target” of the past year or so.

I’ll send out the announcements early this week. Like, oh… today. I’ll send it to the decablog members this week, too.

E) So, if one of you residents of the theology aggregator want to volunteer – let me know.

In addition to all of the above…

I’ve been thinking. I’ll have a longer post tomorrow, concerning my new webhosting package… (bwahahahaha….. 15 full domains, 75 subdomains 7680 MB Disk, 192 GB Transfer 3000 Mailboxes… Dreamhost rules… (It’s “Code Monster.” I used them in my first big website project for a gaming group, and have liked them ever since… anyway. I’m still a web designer at heart.)

But, here’s the deal.

On one hand, I’ve been thinking about turning the current blog here into a group apologetics blog, and inviting a few people to contribute, and kickstart this sucka.

On the other hand… I like the “flavor” I have here – so I may do this AND a group blog.

On the Gripping Hand (name the reference!) … I’m really a bit undecided about WHAT I want. So, comments, questions, etc?

(Tuesday Edition)

Announcements:

Vox Apologia VII has a welcome post up already! Ed Heckman is way, way on top of things. Good job!

The subject is “Evolution vs. Creation: So What?”

Entries can be sent to his – So get writing!

NOTE: Vox Apologia now has a newsletter for updates and reminders.

Click here to subscribe!

Arrivals:

Give a big welcome to Amy’s Humble Musings. Was wondering when they’d sign up 😀

Apologetics:
The Minor Prophet posts “Your life is no mistake“. They also hope to further discuss the Vox Apologia topic for this week.

AllThings2All posts “Will you help to wash Terri’s Feet?”

Every Thought Captive posts “Creating a Culture of Death?”

Personal note: I find it absolutely sickening that the suicide of Hunter Thompson is being commented on more than any story right now, (time sensitive link) when Terri is fighting for her life – which is being taken from her. I’m well and truly sick.

Congratulate Alex. Read this, and find out why 😀

21st Century Reformation posts Free to Feed, part 5.

blogma answers: “Who were the sons of God?”

off shore fisherman has a praise, and an explanation.

Wittingshire: Being Yourself. Good post.

Ryan has no time… I know the feeling.

Eric has a stalker. So, if you know anything about the legal implications – go talk to him.

Funky posts: The Posting Heard Round the World. Go check it out. It’s why Funky’s my favorite Catholic 😀

Alpha and Omega posts on The Blessedness of Blindness? Interesting.

Antithetics:

DarkSyd is still on a rampage about Joe. A taste:

I did think it was a little odd though … as far I could tell if I remember right, and I did ask him a couple of times, Joe never went to actually fight in the war he so loved. A couple of times he said something to the effect that ‘others had asked if they could go for him so that they could get the extra combat pay” or something like that, if I recall correctly (See, Joe was doing them a favor by letting them get shot at, and blown to bloody pieces, instead of himself).

Anyway, as the Marines rotated through their forces, and I suspect that Joe realized he was on the verge of possibly being, you know, actually sent into combat, he suddenly had an incredibly well timed mid-life crises of some kind, and was no longer sure the “Marines were the right place to be’. Isn’t that a coinkidink?

What a class act…